r2hubert 0 #1 April 2, 2003 I've seen birdman pack their dbag gromet to pin, I have done the same for my first 4 birdman jumps. I would like to know why every body do not pack like that? I mean that make sense the dbag just exist the container in the right position with this method. Less chance of line twist because of the dbag rotating. Any thought about this.... -- Renaud SMA #9 "Mind is like parachute. It only functions when it's open." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #2 April 2, 2003 Some rigs (or sizes) simply aren't designed to have the bag placed into the container with the lines toward the backpad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r2hubert 0 #3 April 2, 2003 So my question will be more: why rig are designed to have the gromet towards the reserve and not towards the pin? -- Renaud SMA #9 "Mind is like parachute. It only functions when it's open." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #4 April 2, 2003 Makes for a better looking rig?____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #5 April 2, 2003 As a matter of fact, the Wings manual, indicates that you may pack their dbag either way. I have not yet tried it, but I plan on it. I think the rig simply looks flatter if the dbag laid with the lines at the bottom of the rig.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #6 April 2, 2003 Most rigs have or have had box type lower corners and many even have corners wraping up and around to form a three sided corner. These can hold a bag if pulled from the bottom of the rig, inside the corners. Pulled from the top of the main container, where most flaps are wide open, gives an easier extraction. PC's in tow have occured from packing lines down. I can invision packing lines down in modern containers actually being worse in a birdman suit. The PC would be trying to pull the bag through the bottom/side flap corners instead of rotating it up and over.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r2hubert 0 #7 April 2, 2003 I understand your point, here is the three different method I have seen. I use to do the number 3 on all my jumps. I guess this is a good compromise between those two methods. I have an old Talon container, I'm not sure the corner problem will be an issue with this container. Thanks for the info I haven't thought about this baglock problem -- Renaud SMA #9 "Mind is like parachute. It only functions when it's open." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #8 April 2, 2003 Three is just a bad job of two. And most bags are dimensioned for 2. But none of these are the problem method of grommet in the bottom. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billdo 0 #9 April 3, 2003 I pack my javelin odysey grommet to pin just cause I think it's easier to keep the lines very neat, and it's the way the bag comes off the container, but it's just a personal preference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #10 April 3, 2003 The shape of my mirage d-bag won't allow me to pack it grommet to pin. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maretus 0 #11 April 3, 2003 I think that some containers designed for larger mains might have so "long" d-bag that it would be a problem to pack it gromet to pin. I pack my wings - FX88 gromet to pin every time and I'm very happy with that. :)http://www.ufufreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #12 April 3, 2003 I think it might be container/d-bag shape more than canopy size, since I have a 104 crossfire in a mirage MXS and my friend has a 97 stiletto in an MZS and neither of us can put it in grommet to pin. No biggie....neither of us birdman, although I've been thinking about trying it this summer at lost prairie when a friend of mine is going to have a bunch of demo suits. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maretus 0 #13 April 3, 2003 Yep, the d-bag shape it is of course. What I was trying to say was that larger containers (for larger mains) ar more prone to that way shaped d-bags that thay can't be packed gromet to pin. Are those mirages G4 you are talking about ? Since my friend has G3 with FX79 (formerly he had Contrail 105) in it and has no problem packing it gromet to pin.http://www.ufufreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #14 April 3, 2003 Both G3s......now if we had mains that would be on the small side for the container we probably could do it, but both of us have mains on the snug side. (nothing bigger will fit in hers and with a shoe horn I fit a 116 in mine. ) Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #15 April 3, 2003 If I am not mistaken, the Wings manual says stowed lines against the backpad (grommet to pin) or stowed lines against the bottom of the reserve container, the opposite of the direction most people rotate the bag. Mine looks better with the lines against the backpad, so I always pack it that way. Am I misreading the manual? ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #16 April 3, 2003 My reflex looks kinda strange packing it grommet to pin, but I used to watch the guys (and gals) under the high performance chutes pack theirs this way, and they had few line twists..... so when I got my fx85 I started doing this, only one line twist so far.... *knock on wood--->knuckles against forehead and this twist was caused I am sure by jumping tired, forgot I was wearing a camera suit, and not throwing both arms out at the same time equally. Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
