flyingferret 0 #1 March 18, 2003 I recently sold my Sabre 210 after about 150 jumps on it. This canopy (and all Sabres 190 and above to my understanding) has an extra contol line. I have been told that this was added due to harsh opening problems. I have heard packers liken it to a tandem canopy in this respect. When I purchased the canopy it had a small rubber band on the lines just outboard of the extra control line. When packing, I bundled the slack in the control line (to make it the same length and the next line outboard) and then stowed this in the rubber band. That worked well for me, and I had been told this was common on larger Sabres. After selling the canopy, I have been helping the buyer out with questions as he is a beginning jumper. His rigger contacted PD, and they discouraged the use of the rubberbands. So I told him I would research it a little bit. During my time with the canopy noone even suggested it, so I guess this news made me wonder. I am just curious, and more so because some of PD 'advice' on packing a Sabre, if applied to the large Sabres will leave you see stars! Any feedback on this?-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #2 March 18, 2003 The most important point when packing the steering lines - on a large original Sabre - is to get all the slack to the top. Whether you stow the excess in rubber bands is a minor point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #3 March 18, 2003 Leave the Slack at the top. Once the brakes are set, pull the extra line back up ABOVE the ring. It should not be pulled down and bundled up the same length as the line with the Catseye in it. That extra line would be attached at the cascade if it were supposed to be pulled down, leaving no need for the line. That extra line was added to allow more air to blow past the tail as the parachute is opening. It was found when that line was stowed at the same length as the outer brake lines it would slam open much more frequently. Allowing more air past the tail softened it up. The line is not the same as the Extra Flare line on a tandem. Tandems tend to have high toggle pressure. Having a seperate line on the inboard allows the less of the tail to be pulled down during regular turns and steering. The second line allows more tail to be pulled down for flaring.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #4 March 18, 2003 So basically....jumping it like that for 150 jumps was not the thing to do? -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #5 March 18, 2003 huh? Edit: On opening the bundled line gets pulled back up to the top any way causing wear and tear on the line and what ever it's in contact with.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #6 March 18, 2003 My point was that I guess I have been doing it wrong for 150 jumps and not aware of it. Is it common to bundle? When I got the canopy it was that way, and at some point a rigger (not sure who, as it was 2 years ago) told me it was fine to keep it that way.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floormonkey 0 #7 March 18, 2003 It is not neccessarily common, but not unheard of. My jedi master packer mentor used to do it and swore by it. I pack the same canopy without using the rubber band (it's still there, has been for over a year) and get openings that are just as sweet (or at least that's what the customer says...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #8 March 18, 2003 Ah ok... Yes it's wrong but not unheard of. It's on the owners manual what to do with the line. Most people don't read it, or keep it to pass along to the next owner. Also, if some one who doesn't know, tells you to do it that way.... Why would you not? It's a common mistake to bundle it up or stow it with the rest of the lines. Since there is nothing to hold it in place, it just strips it's way back out wearing on anything in it's path. Now that you know, pass that info along and maybe take note of another new owner of a Sabre *Sized Large* and pass that info on to him. Cheers My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #9 March 18, 2003 Thanks very much. Since it was bundled at the top of the lines near the tail, I would think all it did was slight wear on the lines. I don't remember if it was addressed in the manual...I actually think that they hand out the same Ram Air manual with everything, but I could be wrong. I just accepted it, since Sabres have a few packing quircks that don't get mentioned in the manual.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
