riggerrob 643 #1 May 17, 2003 Does anyone have any experience with SONY's new DCR TRV-19, 22 or 33 line of video cameras? I visited the SONY store yesterday and checked them out. Prices are low, almost within the budget of a professional skydiver. Size is almost small enough for wrist-mount: 4.5" long, 3.5" high and 2.5" wide. 4.5 is a bit longer than my hand is wide, but given the price, I can probably live with that. Speaking of price, this new line retails for CAN$999 to 1199, impressive. I still have not figured out how they got prices so much lower than their IP series, but I suspect that it involves deleting Blue Tooth, etc. technology that I cannot use anyways. The -22 adds a memory stick for only CAN$100 more, while the -33 increases resolution from 500 to 520 lines for only another CAN$100. Anyways, I am still debating which camera to buy and would appreciate any feedback. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #2 May 17, 2003 I had been looking at these cameras for a bit when I found a previous thread on them in this forum. Quade made some good observations on the different models and the whole resolution thing that may make you consider the 19 unless you absolutely need the still camera/memory stick option. I was at the local Best Buy playing with all 3 models and I must say that the 19 does appear to be the best choice economically speaking. One thing I did notice was that the flip out LCD and the viewfinder on the 19 can be viewed in color and not only B/W. I found the option in one of the menus and was able to change from B/W to color on the LCD and the viewdinder both. I can also confirm that there is indeed a LANC port on all 3 models. It is just to the left of the S -video port when looking at the camera from the front. It is right by where the handstrap connects with the chasis. Here, the 19 goes for 599.99 22 for 699.99 33 fro 799.99 I would buy one in a heart beat if I thought it would fit in any of the D boxes I already have installed. Since there appears to be no way in hell to make that happen without reconstructing a box and I don't know if a pre-existing box will accomodate it's size, I will wait and see if this model does indeed catch on in the skydiving community. I do think this is the best bet yet on a DV camera brand new off the shelf though."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #3 May 18, 2003 QuoteOne thing I did notice was that the flip out LCD and the viewfinder on the 19 can be viewed in color and not only B/W. Thanks for this finding! However, does the 19 have video and audio 'in' capabilities (like from VCR (analog) to camera tape (digital) )? My little ol' DCR-TRV8 can do this, but when I looked at the 19 it listed only 'out' capability. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #4 May 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteOne thing I did notice was that the flip out LCD and the viewfinder on the 19 can be viewed in color and not only B/W. Thanks for this finding! However, does the 19 have video and audio 'in' capabilities (like from VCR (analog) to camera tape (digital) )? My little ol' DCR-TRV8 can do this, but when I looked at the 19 it listed only 'out' capability. ltdiver That I do not know but the inputs that I did see were firewire, S-video, LANC, AUDIO/Video and USB. Without cracking the owners manual I have no clue if the Audio/video has an "in" capability."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #5 May 18, 2003 Quote Quote Quote One thing I did notice was that the flip out LCD and the viewfinder on the 19 can be viewed in color and not only B/W. Thanks for this finding! However, does the 19 have video and audio 'in' capabilities (like from VCR (analog) to camera tape (digital) )? My little ol' DCR-TRV8 can do this, but when I looked at the 19 it listed only 'out' capability. ltdiver That I do not know but the inputs that I did see were firewire, S-video, LANC, AUDIO/Video and USB. Without cracking the owners manual I have no clue if the Audio/video has an "in" capability. If anybody has bought a 19, could you please answer this question for us. However, one other thing to consider is LCD screen size. This weekend, having to go back to back on 4-way training jumps, the team reviewed the jump in the plane on the ride to altitude. If my camera had had a small screen it would have been a little more difficult for them to see. I vote for a larger LCD screen if you have a need to do this in the plane. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #6 May 20, 2003 Well here goes. I own the TRV - 22. I can't imagine buying a better all around camera for the price. In fact I think anyone buying a PC 101 or other is probably wasting money. The size? It fits on any side mount helmet like the PC series. Same weight? Yes it may even be a tad lighter. Picture quality? I don't think you could tell the difference. Inputs? has em all, Lanc, Firewire, S-Video, Sony stupid cable to 3 RCA. Button location. They are all in the right spot with covers except the Lanc port is not covered making it an ideal skydiver set up. Over all this camera rocks. I bought the TRV 22 because when I do tandem video's I like to use the nice disolves / fades and edit in camera, then I just lay down audio and titles and presto instant good looking movie. The TRV 19 does not have the nice fades built in. Rob get my cell number from Debbie and give me a call and I will let you know anything you want. ~Chachi - Rob I. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #7 May 20, 2003 QuoteWell here goes. I own the TRV - 22. I can't imagine buying a better all around camera for the price. In fact I think anyone buying a PC 101 or other is probably wasting money. The size? It fits on any side mount helmet like the PC series. Same weight? Yes it may even be a tad lighter. Picture quality? I don't think you could tell the difference. Inputs? has em all, Lanc, Firewire, S-Video, Sony stupid cable to 3 RCA. Button location. They are all in the right spot with covers except the Lanc port is not covered making it an ideal skydiver set up. Over all this camera rocks. I bought the TRV 22 because when I do tandem video's I like to use the nice disolves / fades and edit in camera, then I just lay down audio and titles and presto instant good looking movie. The TRV 19 does not have the nice fades built in. Rob get my cell number from Debbie and give me a call and I will let you know anything you want. ~Chachi - Rob I. Are you jumping it in a D box or exposed and straped down. If your using a D box, which make model?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 May 20, 2003 Although it's not on their web site, BoneHead now makes a dBox specifically for the TRV 19, 22 and 33 -- $170.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #9 June 19, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing I did notice was that the flip out LCD and the viewfinder on the 19 can be viewed in color and not only B/W. Thanks for this finding! However, does the 19 have video and audio 'in' capabilities (like from VCR (analog) to camera tape (digital) )? My little ol' DCR-TRV8 can do this, but when I looked at the 19 it listed only 'out' capability. ltdiver That I do not know but the inputs that I did see were firewire, S-video, LANC, AUDIO/Video and USB. Without cracking the owners manual I have no clue if the Audio/video has an "in" capability. If anybody has bought a 19, could you please answer this question for us. However, one other thing to consider is LCD screen size. This weekend, having to go back to back on 4-way training jumps, the team reviewed the jump in the plane on the ride to altitude. If my camera had had a small screen it would have been a little more difficult for them to see. I vote for a larger LCD screen if you have a need to do this in the plane. ltdiver OK, I'm tired, and have to leave right away, but thought I'd stop in to say I now have the TRV19 here at home. Nice little compact peice of equipment! (In other words, DAMN, this thing is TINY!). You were right LT, the 19 has only analog outputs. No analog inputs at all. This does not bother me, but to those it would make a difference to, go at least a step higher. Must leave, but if anyone has any questions about the cam, feel free to ask. The owners manual does cover all 3 models, so I should be able to answer any (reading related) questions that come up. I might even get a chance to jump it this weekend, but I think I'll wait 'till I can order a D Box from Bonehead.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #10 June 19, 2003 I've had my 33 for about 6 weeks now, and I'm really impressed. It even does analog to digital conversion on the fly, which I used to copy some old vinyl LPs to CDs! Someone had said (can't recall if it was here or some other forum) that when you take a still to the memory stick that there is a momentary pause in the video. This is not the case.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jabeln79 0 #11 June 30, 2003 I bought the 22 about a month ago. I am very impressed with it so far. Has just about all the options you need including a memory stick for pulling stills. Its light weight. i have it in a open cage with sraps around it. Fits good and the videos are great.Blue Skies Joe "Knowledge is the antidote to fear." --- Ralph Waldo Emerson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #12 July 7, 2003 has anyone side mounted these? mine sticks out quite far with the bonehead box... Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #13 July 7, 2003 Quotehas anyone side mounted these? mine sticks out quite far with the bonehead box... The bonehead box? Are you saying you have one of the new style d-boxes made for the new TRV's? If so, how is the fit and finish?It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #14 July 8, 2003 fit is perfect, the only thing is you may have to trim off some of the box depending on what size of wideangle lense you have... I don't have a picture of my setup but this may give you an idea of how thick the box is... http://www.interone.net/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album19&id=abq Thats me with my TRV22. I have a bonehead mindwrap and box. Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyGuy 0 #15 July 8, 2003 Do you have any problems with riser strikes? Looks like it sticks out alot further than the pc series. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiven4fun 0 #16 July 8, 2003 After looking at the picture I also am wondering if you have any problems with the risers. It seems to stick out kinda far, I have a Trv 19 that I top mounted, and the camera is so short and light that I can hardly tell its even there. Just curious but why would anyone want to side mount this camera with it being as short and light as it is.Still here after all these years Clayton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #17 July 9, 2003 i havent got a riser strike yet... it looks like it sticks out far but it isn't that much further than any other camera Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #18 July 9, 2003 yea i just campared it to PC 110 and it sticks out like an inch further oh well, i havent had any problems with it yet Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kieran 0 #19 September 23, 2003 I've just recently purchased a TRV 22 (my first camera). I'm now looking into mounts and trying to decide where to mount it. Are dboxes the best bet? I looks like they make the camera stick out too far if side mounted. Anyone recently mounted a dbox for TRV 22? I hope there is more discussion around this topic. There aren't many threads right now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quinny 0 #20 September 24, 2003 I have about 110 jumps with the 33 and I think its great. I have it mounted in a 2k composites ffx helmet and after a few adjustments its great. The video quality is great and the stills were better than I thought they would be. They are wider than the PC's you see out there but after jumping one I am happy to stay with it. I will post a photo of what it looks like later this week. Blue skies guys and gals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kieran 0 #21 September 24, 2003 I'd appreciate a pic. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ernokaikkonen 0 #22 October 3, 2003 QuoteI bought the TRV 22 because when I do tandem video's I like to use the nice disolves / fades and edit in camera, then I just lay down audio and titles and presto instant good looking movie. The TRV 19 does not have the nice fades built in. According to the specs the TRV-19 has QuoteFader Functions: 4 Picture Effects: 6 and the TRV-22 has QuoteFader Functions:: 7 Digital Picture Effects:: 6 Picture Effects:: 6 Doesn't seem like such a big difference to me, can you elaborate on what the digital picture effects do that are missing from the TRV-19? I'd understand from the specs that the TRV-19 would have at least the basic fade ins & fade outs and crossfades? Or, if people who have used a TRV-19 would like to explain what the four fader functions on a TRV-19 do? And if they're enough to make a decent tandem-video or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #23 October 3, 2003 One of the things I like about the 22 is you can capture stills from tape during playback.Just press the still picture button.Quality isn't that great but you can get anything thats on the tape.Right now I'm experimenting with a small "spy" camera lens ,thru the analog input jack,mounted on goggles.Colors aren't as true,but for fun/training jumps, I do not think there is safer way to video.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kieran 0 #21 September 24, 2003 I'd appreciate a pic. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #22 October 3, 2003 QuoteI bought the TRV 22 because when I do tandem video's I like to use the nice disolves / fades and edit in camera, then I just lay down audio and titles and presto instant good looking movie. The TRV 19 does not have the nice fades built in. According to the specs the TRV-19 has QuoteFader Functions: 4 Picture Effects: 6 and the TRV-22 has QuoteFader Functions:: 7 Digital Picture Effects:: 6 Picture Effects:: 6 Doesn't seem like such a big difference to me, can you elaborate on what the digital picture effects do that are missing from the TRV-19? I'd understand from the specs that the TRV-19 would have at least the basic fade ins & fade outs and crossfades? Or, if people who have used a TRV-19 would like to explain what the four fader functions on a TRV-19 do? And if they're enough to make a decent tandem-video or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #23 October 3, 2003 One of the things I like about the 22 is you can capture stills from tape during playback.Just press the still picture button.Quality isn't that great but you can get anything thats on the tape.Right now I'm experimenting with a small "spy" camera lens ,thru the analog input jack,mounted on goggles.Colors aren't as true,but for fun/training jumps, I do not think there is safer way to video.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
