AMax 0 #1 February 20, 2006 Last round of Valentine’s meet is still on NSL TV. Interesting example of different engineering. B-F-21-17: Odyssey - mirror Velocity - double slot switch Fastrax - double slot switch Fury - mirror Thunder - double slot switch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 February 20, 2006 You are so obsessed with 4-way. I turn my head in disgust. (I laugh, because I did the exact same thing yesterday with the top 3 teams) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #3 February 20, 2006 Why did you stop at top 3? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #4 February 21, 2006 Skydiving in it's most disgusting form. -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pr0ject42 0 #5 February 21, 2006 Who cares how one team engineered something? What is more important is what engineering works for you team? Double slotswitchers or mirrors? Pick one and stick with it for the season! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #6 February 21, 2006 Regardless of how each team engineered that round, I must say that Velocity's 2nd place was awesome. They had only done 4 training jumps and having 2 new members on a team and post the score that they did was absolutely amazing. I'm sick of people saying that Airspeed are in the past (not posted on here, but what people say on dzs, etc) - the Valentine's Meet shows that they are as strong as ever and will give a lot of teams a run for their money. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #7 February 21, 2006 QuoteSkydiving in it's most disgusting form. -Hixxx But any form is even more disgusting with a checkerboard rig ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #8 February 21, 2006 Quote I'm sick of people saying that Airspeed are in the past ( They still say that after 2005 world cup? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #9 February 21, 2006 They still say that after 2005 world cup? Quote Quite a few people have kept their mouths shut since then, but if you look back at all the convos on here about last years nats before the comp actually happened there was barely a handful of us that looked at Airspeed as anything other than an 8 way team. with the momentum that Airspeed has suddenly picked up in 4 way, especially considering that it's an off year they are definitely still a 4 way force. With the way the 4 way arena is shaping up for next years nationals I think the 2007 battle for the US team slot is going to make this years look like a warm-up.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #10 February 22, 2006 QuoteWho cares how one team engineered something? A bunch of folks. Like me for one. QuoteWhat is more important is what engineering works for you team? Double slotswitchers or mirrors? Pick one and stick with it for the season! And how do you think you fiqure out what works for you? You look at others, talk to others, try both and make a choice."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #11 February 22, 2006 QuoteThey had only done 4 training jumps and having 2 new members on a team and post the score that they did was absolutely amazing. They did well, but lets not forget who the two new members were...I mean both 20+ average jumpers before they stepped into slot. QuoteI'm sick of people saying that Airspeed are in the past (not posted on here, but what people say on dzs, etc) - the Valentine's Meet shows that they are as strong as ever and will give a lot of teams a run for their money. Well, I don't hear that much at all. Their focus has been 8way and the 4way did suffer. Also worth mentioning is that Fire didn't show. Fire will be focusing on 4way (once Natasha is back) and they will be coming from a World Meet in 4way while AS will have a focus on 8way. The GK's have two very new members. But with the resources of the Army, and Matt and KB I would not count them any where near out. However, this is the first time I can remember that they skipped Vmeet. FT has two World Champions and will only be doing 4way as well this year. I am really impressed with Fury. Starting out at a 16+ pace. They will only go faster. Thunder Looks good with what looks as a 14 pace at the start of the year. Its too early to make quesses, but Airspeed has to focus on 8way at least until the WM. The do have the tunnel thay can play in...So its a tough call. I'd never say they are "the past" that just makes no sense. But they do have cards stacked against them. No team has brought back both 4 and 8way and that just goes to show how hard it is to split the focus and do well in both events. The tunnel being the first easy access tunnel big enough for 4way at a major DZ...Will make this an interesting year."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #12 February 22, 2006 Quote The GK's have two very new members. But with the resources of the Army, and Matt and KB I would not count them any where near out. Recent NSL article says they started at 14+ http://www.skyleague.com/pages/news/showArticles.php?story=334&PHPSESSID=9cbe11b2e02077f8cb93e7eb4e7945f0 It will be extremely interesting to follow their progression in point average. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #13 February 22, 2006 QuoteI'd never say they are "the past" that just makes no sense. Very true. That's a funny statement because it is so apparent it's a shame to even have to say it. These are completely new lineups in most cases. And a healthy rotation of people is the only legacy that's needed. Saying that AS is "the past" would only really be appropriate if it was the old lineups trying to hang on (and, really, if they did, they'd still be a 'Fource' to be contended with). So yeah - the old lineups are the 'past' and they did GREAT in the past. The new lineups are 'today'....and they look great too. As a fan of the top teams, I spend less time worrying about any kind of 'legacy' issues and just focus on what's being done better and better every year by the teams in the spotlights and try to learn from those examples. I really like the 'cross pollenation' of the top talent between the US teams. I think it's healthy for the sport progression. From my observations, Airspeed has a great model for developing world class caliber skydivers and individuals. Not a single one that I've ever talked to or met hasn't gone out of their way to encourage or help other skydivers around them. I don't think there is anything obsolete at all there - regardless of whether they win WC's every year or every 3rd year or ever. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #14 February 22, 2006 QuoteSo yeah - the old lineups are the 'past' and they did GREAT in the past. The new lineups are 'today'....and they look great too. Anyone remember the original Airspeed? Everyone thought they were the best team ever, and they were. One time in Zhills, I think it was Tony Hathaway's 10,000 jump but Im not sure, Jack Jefferies turned to Tony and asked, "What did Majic do in Russia?" Tony replied, "A 23 Average!" Jack replied with, "Thats it, I am offically a 'has been'!" One of the funniest things I have heard in skydiving. It is amazing how quickly the sport forgets the leaders if they are not still in the spotlight.....For example can anyone name me the US 4way team before the original Airspeed? I love the "legacy" teams, but as my stock analyst always says, "Past performance is not always indicative of future returns". Reference Fire. But my bookie always says, "The race is not always to the swift or the strong....But it is a good way to bet." So, I just normally flip a coin, or vote for the team with the cool name. The exception to that rule is Fire...No only does Natasha have a drive like I have never seen AND the resources to make it happen...But hey, shes hot and that didn't hurt."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 February 22, 2006 QuoteFor example can anyone name me the US 4way team before the original Airspeed? I can't, but I'll make two guesses and show my ignorance of skydiving history (remember, in the late 80's early 90's I only had a few hundred jumps) Air Bears? Coolidge Fource? (sp - Force?) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #16 February 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteFor example can anyone name me the US 4way team before the original Airspeed? I can't, but I'll make two guesses and show my ignorance of skydiving history (remember, in the late 80's early 90's I only had a few hundred jumps) Air Bears? Coolidge Fource? (sp - Force?) Perris Airmoves Deland Gang Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpwme 0 #17 February 22, 2006 If I remember correctly, wasn't Airspeed a combination of Jack's team in florida Deland Speed, and Dan's team at Perris, Airmoves? Hence, Airspeed?? I also seem to recall that Airmoves could not beat Speed and Airspeed was formed from the "if you can't beat them, join them" theory. So - I would guess that Deland Speed was before Airspeed, but Gang and Airbears were in the mix somplace. Than again - I could be all wet on this one. Somebody confirm or deny the above. Steve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #18 February 22, 2006 http://www.skyleague.com/pages/profiles/profile.php?which=DanBrodsky-Chenfield Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 February 22, 2006 Class act all the way, that guy. Came out last year to our DZ with one of the Perris Otters and spent the week - coaching and encouraging. Natural motivator and regular guy - 100% real. He should go cross country giving motivational speeches. He has a knack. We learned a ton. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #20 February 22, 2006 QuotePerris Airmoves Deland Gang Deland Gang."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airgord 1 #21 February 23, 2006 Deland Vertical Speed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #22 February 23, 2006 QuoteDeland Vertical Speed Who was on it? I thought they were just called Deland Gang....But to be honest I had just started jumping and was working on not dying still"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airgord 1 #23 February 23, 2006 Trey Johnson, Craig Buxton, Jack Jeffries and I think Mike Traad or Kirk Verner, Howie Daugherty was the cameraflyer. They trained out of Trey's C195 equiped with a tv and vcr in the rear bulkhead for debriefing on the way up, before the world meet in Eloy that year they needed right door exit practice so Trey contacted my old dz in Oregon to use his old Westwind, the week before they came up our pilot landed the Westwind with the gear still in the wells, slid to the side and used the right engine intake to vacuum the side of the runway, our dzo got Ray Farrell from Skydance to bring up his B90 and they used it for a week or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #24 February 23, 2006 I could not imagine that this thread would be so interesting You guys need to post more stories like that to encourage the new generation ed to spell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skykittykat 0 #25 February 23, 2006 Air Moves - Tom Falzone, Kirk Verner, Mikey Traad. Troy Widgery, camera - Richard Stewart. Kirk and Mikey stepped in for Dan BC (who was injured in the Perris plane crash) and James Layne (who died). The Deland team - Deland Gang (vertical express?) won the nationals - Jack Jeffries, Trey Johnson, Craig Buxton and Mark Hewitt. Kirk replaced Mark Hewitt. After that, a team was formed with Kirk, Jack, Dan and Mark Kirkby - Airspeed!!!!! Another point of interest, the British 4 way team that went to the World Meet "that never was" due to only doing one or two rounds and not fulfilling the required amount of rounds, invented the the creepers. 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Ron 10 #10 February 22, 2006 QuoteWho cares how one team engineered something? A bunch of folks. Like me for one. QuoteWhat is more important is what engineering works for you team? Double slotswitchers or mirrors? Pick one and stick with it for the season! And how do you think you fiqure out what works for you? You look at others, talk to others, try both and make a choice."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #11 February 22, 2006 QuoteThey had only done 4 training jumps and having 2 new members on a team and post the score that they did was absolutely amazing. They did well, but lets not forget who the two new members were...I mean both 20+ average jumpers before they stepped into slot. QuoteI'm sick of people saying that Airspeed are in the past (not posted on here, but what people say on dzs, etc) - the Valentine's Meet shows that they are as strong as ever and will give a lot of teams a run for their money. Well, I don't hear that much at all. Their focus has been 8way and the 4way did suffer. Also worth mentioning is that Fire didn't show. Fire will be focusing on 4way (once Natasha is back) and they will be coming from a World Meet in 4way while AS will have a focus on 8way. The GK's have two very new members. But with the resources of the Army, and Matt and KB I would not count them any where near out. However, this is the first time I can remember that they skipped Vmeet. FT has two World Champions and will only be doing 4way as well this year. I am really impressed with Fury. Starting out at a 16+ pace. They will only go faster. Thunder Looks good with what looks as a 14 pace at the start of the year. Its too early to make quesses, but Airspeed has to focus on 8way at least until the WM. The do have the tunnel thay can play in...So its a tough call. I'd never say they are "the past" that just makes no sense. But they do have cards stacked against them. No team has brought back both 4 and 8way and that just goes to show how hard it is to split the focus and do well in both events. The tunnel being the first easy access tunnel big enough for 4way at a major DZ...Will make this an interesting year."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #12 February 22, 2006 Quote The GK's have two very new members. But with the resources of the Army, and Matt and KB I would not count them any where near out. Recent NSL article says they started at 14+ http://www.skyleague.com/pages/news/showArticles.php?story=334&PHPSESSID=9cbe11b2e02077f8cb93e7eb4e7945f0 It will be extremely interesting to follow their progression in point average. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 February 22, 2006 QuoteI'd never say they are "the past" that just makes no sense. Very true. That's a funny statement because it is so apparent it's a shame to even have to say it. These are completely new lineups in most cases. And a healthy rotation of people is the only legacy that's needed. Saying that AS is "the past" would only really be appropriate if it was the old lineups trying to hang on (and, really, if they did, they'd still be a 'Fource' to be contended with). So yeah - the old lineups are the 'past' and they did GREAT in the past. The new lineups are 'today'....and they look great too. As a fan of the top teams, I spend less time worrying about any kind of 'legacy' issues and just focus on what's being done better and better every year by the teams in the spotlights and try to learn from those examples. I really like the 'cross pollenation' of the top talent between the US teams. I think it's healthy for the sport progression. From my observations, Airspeed has a great model for developing world class caliber skydivers and individuals. Not a single one that I've ever talked to or met hasn't gone out of their way to encourage or help other skydivers around them. I don't think there is anything obsolete at all there - regardless of whether they win WC's every year or every 3rd year or ever. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #14 February 22, 2006 QuoteSo yeah - the old lineups are the 'past' and they did GREAT in the past. The new lineups are 'today'....and they look great too. Anyone remember the original Airspeed? Everyone thought they were the best team ever, and they were. One time in Zhills, I think it was Tony Hathaway's 10,000 jump but Im not sure, Jack Jefferies turned to Tony and asked, "What did Majic do in Russia?" Tony replied, "A 23 Average!" Jack replied with, "Thats it, I am offically a 'has been'!" One of the funniest things I have heard in skydiving. It is amazing how quickly the sport forgets the leaders if they are not still in the spotlight.....For example can anyone name me the US 4way team before the original Airspeed? I love the "legacy" teams, but as my stock analyst always says, "Past performance is not always indicative of future returns". Reference Fire. But my bookie always says, "The race is not always to the swift or the strong....But it is a good way to bet." So, I just normally flip a coin, or vote for the team with the cool name. The exception to that rule is Fire...No only does Natasha have a drive like I have never seen AND the resources to make it happen...But hey, shes hot and that didn't hurt."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #15 February 22, 2006 QuoteFor example can anyone name me the US 4way team before the original Airspeed? I can't, but I'll make two guesses and show my ignorance of skydiving history (remember, in the late 80's early 90's I only had a few hundred jumps) Air Bears? Coolidge Fource? (sp - Force?) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #16 February 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteFor example can anyone name me the US 4way team before the original Airspeed? I can't, but I'll make two guesses and show my ignorance of skydiving history (remember, in the late 80's early 90's I only had a few hundred jumps) Air Bears? Coolidge Fource? (sp - Force?) Perris Airmoves Deland Gang Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpwme 0 #17 February 22, 2006 If I remember correctly, wasn't Airspeed a combination of Jack's team in florida Deland Speed, and Dan's team at Perris, Airmoves? Hence, Airspeed?? I also seem to recall that Airmoves could not beat Speed and Airspeed was formed from the "if you can't beat them, join them" theory. So - I would guess that Deland Speed was before Airspeed, but Gang and Airbears were in the mix somplace. Than again - I could be all wet on this one. Somebody confirm or deny the above. Steve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #18 February 22, 2006 http://www.skyleague.com/pages/profiles/profile.php?which=DanBrodsky-Chenfield Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 February 22, 2006 Class act all the way, that guy. Came out last year to our DZ with one of the Perris Otters and spent the week - coaching and encouraging. Natural motivator and regular guy - 100% real. He should go cross country giving motivational speeches. He has a knack. We learned a ton. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #20 February 22, 2006 QuotePerris Airmoves Deland Gang Deland Gang."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airgord 1 #21 February 23, 2006 Deland Vertical Speed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #22 February 23, 2006 QuoteDeland Vertical Speed Who was on it? I thought they were just called Deland Gang....But to be honest I had just started jumping and was working on not dying still"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airgord 1 #23 February 23, 2006 Trey Johnson, Craig Buxton, Jack Jeffries and I think Mike Traad or Kirk Verner, Howie Daugherty was the cameraflyer. They trained out of Trey's C195 equiped with a tv and vcr in the rear bulkhead for debriefing on the way up, before the world meet in Eloy that year they needed right door exit practice so Trey contacted my old dz in Oregon to use his old Westwind, the week before they came up our pilot landed the Westwind with the gear still in the wells, slid to the side and used the right engine intake to vacuum the side of the runway, our dzo got Ray Farrell from Skydance to bring up his B90 and they used it for a week or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #24 February 23, 2006 I could not imagine that this thread would be so interesting You guys need to post more stories like that to encourage the new generation ed to spell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #25 February 23, 2006 Air Moves - Tom Falzone, Kirk Verner, Mikey Traad. Troy Widgery, camera - Richard Stewart. Kirk and Mikey stepped in for Dan BC (who was injured in the Perris plane crash) and James Layne (who died). The Deland team - Deland Gang (vertical express?) won the nationals - Jack Jeffries, Trey Johnson, Craig Buxton and Mark Hewitt. Kirk replaced Mark Hewitt. After that, a team was formed with Kirk, Jack, Dan and Mark Kirkby - Airspeed!!!!! Another point of interest, the British 4 way team that went to the World Meet "that never was" due to only doing one or two rounds and not fulfilling the required amount of rounds, invented the the creepers. Apparently, after the Brits turned up with the creepers, by the end of the meet, the French turned up with creepers. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
