How do you close the infinity?

[drenaline 0]

I read the manual a lot of times and it still gives me the chillies to know that I don't have to make the 4 grommets meet, and the way you must pack the bridle... It's BOC.

Can you post some picks of how you pack the infinity?

My gear is missing one minor important thing (dbag) so I'll tell ya how everything goes after I get it.

Everybody in my dropzone got freaked after they read the owner's manual and said that last grommet must not meet the others.

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[skygod7777 0]

well, i think kelly farrington is on here tonight, pm him and ask


later

[jerm 0]

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I read the manual a lot of times and it still gives me the chillies to know that I don't have to make the 4 grommets meet,

why should they meet? some rigs prefer that they DON'T meet so that the grommets don't rub against eachother and dent/flatten/bend/etc...

If it's a newer infinity, the flaps should be numbered.. close them in order, 1-3

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and the way you must pack the bridle... It's BOC.

are you asking HOW to stow the bridle, or are you saying you're getting the willies from how they say to pack that, too? stuff it under the flap that leads to the BOC pouch and stow the PC. it's pretty standard.

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Everybody in my dropzone got freaked after they read the owner's manual and said that last grommet must not meet the others.

Wait, they're freaked at what the owner's manual said? see above about grommets.

I my top 2 grommets overlap, but i have a 150 in a container sized for a 170, so it's understandable. it was more in line with specs with the 170 in it, though.

I can post pics if you like, but what exactly are you looking to clear up?

-jerm

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[drenaline 0]

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I can post pics if you like, but what exactly are you looking to clear up?

just close the container route the bridle and take a pic of it without puting the main pin cover, that should do.

Thanks.

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[jerm 0]

done

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[drenaline 0]

thanks, that picture is great.

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[floormonkey 0]

My grommets don't match, and my Inf. is TIGHT.

On a side note: As a packer, I am never concerned if the grommets don't "stack." I am more concerned on how tight the closing loop is. When I pull it all the way through(as far as it can be pulled), I make sure the loop is tight. There shouldn't be room for two closing pins-only one. If you can close it by hand, it's never too tight.

[Cornholio 0]

Here's a couple more pictures. Mine closes the same way.

If I remember correctly, the manual said that the perfect closing loop length would just allow the left flap to overlap the right one just by the binding tape. In other words, the binding tape on both flaps should be lined up, as shown in the pictures.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Turn that closing pin over it's upside down.

[Cornholio 0]

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Turn that closing pin over it's upside down.

According to some people, if you freefly, you want it pointed straight up like that, so it does not snag on anything. Ask B^2, she'll tell you about that method.

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[KellyF 16]

The first three grommets should be stacked on top of each other, and the fourth should be off to the left. The edges of the side flaps should just kiss each other (no overlap). This is all primarily for cosmetics. If you stack all the grommets, you will get some nasty wrinkles on the side flaps where they meet with the pin cover flap.

Also, to preserve the longevity of your main tuck tab, route the bridle between the center flap and the side flap- not under the center flap.

[Gravitymaster 0]

No thanks, I'd rather not risk the closing pin becoming locked in the closing loop than the more remote possibility of the closing pin snagging on something.

[hookitt 1]

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According to some people, if you freefly, you want it pointed straight up like that, so it does not snag on anything. Ask B^2, she'll tell you about that method.

Um....Ive been known to freefly a bit,.... Can you show me why you do that when I see you next?

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[PhreeZone 20]

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According to some people, if you freefly, you want it pointed straight up like that, so it does not snag on anything. Ask B^2, she'll tell you about that method.

Accourding to others (and in the student manual at my DZ) it should be pointed up incase your flap is open and you sit down in the plane it can not push your pin out.

What can it snag on freeflying that it can't on your belly?

Thats the direction its going to get pulled anyways. If its pointing down then it has to be rotated to be pulled and that rotation might be enough to lock it in place.

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[jerm 0]

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No thanks, I'd rather not risk the closing pin becoming locked in the closing loop than the more remote possibility of the closing pin snagging on something.

Can you please explain why you think having the pin point up would cause any greater chance of having the ping get stuck in the closing loop? Don't you think if it were that impotant either way it would be covered in the owner's manual?

With the curved pins of today i don't think it really matters anymore so long as thr bridle isn't locking the pin in place by being stowed too tightly in way or another, and i believe the way the pin is attached basically negate that possability.

As for why i do it that way, it's how i was taught.. it's how my rigers do it, how everyone on my DZ does it (and we're talking about some disgustingly experienced people)

When i think about WHY would you want to do it that way more than another, i come up with: with all of the bumping/brushing etc that we doing moving aroud the plane, sitting on the floor/seat/etc, you're more likely to, especially if the flap has come open, but even through your flap, create some sort of pressure on that part of the rig from below you -- and if the pin is facing down, it can work its way out. With the pin facing up, the loop will just but up against the wide part of the pin.

That scenerio, i believe, is plenty more likely than snagging, and not something i'd like to have happen.

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Am I the only one bothered by the big lump that is his pilot chute? I generally expect that the pilot chute more evenly fills the pouch.

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[PhreeZone 20]

Big lump just means the BOC wears out faster. My riggers love it when they see that since that means more work in the near future.

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[jerm 0]

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Am I the only one bothered by the big lump that is his pilot chute? I generally expect that the pilot chute more evenly fills the pouch.

Yes it's a harder pull and yes i like it that way I freefly too much and have seen too many prematures to want to risk packing it more loosely.

So i'll have to replace my BOC more often -- that's $30 every 2-3 years (had it 1.5 and it's still in great shape) for some piece of mind....... i'll pay it.

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[skygod7777 0]

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With the curved pins of today i don't think it really matters anymore

your right, that's why that are CURVED!!! they can be pulled any direction. any way it is pointed, it will flip up, and then be pulled out, as long as nothing is wrong, such at the bridle being packed wrong, or not having enough slack from the top of the back to the bridle, and not having that slack too tight (even though when i tried this, making it realy tight, because my dad said it wouldn't pull the pin, it worked just fine, so who knows)

later

[Cornholio 0]

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The first three grommets should be stacked on top of each other, and the fourth should be off to the left. The edges of the side flaps should just kiss each other (no overlap). This is all primarily for cosmetics. If you stack all the grommets, you will get some nasty wrinkles on the side flaps where they meet with the pin cover flap.

Also, to preserve the longevity of your main tuck tab, route the bridle between the center flap and the side flap- not under the center flap.

Oh, that makes sense. My memory is not what it used to be when reading something and remembering it. So what you're trying to tell me is that I should let some more slack out of my closing loop so that the left flap just 'touches' the right one ??

And it makes sense to route the bridle that way. I will start to route it that way from now on.

Cool - Thanks for the tips Kelly!

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[KellyF 16]

That's pretty much it!

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[drenaline 0]

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So what you're trying to tell me is that I should let some more slack out of my closing loop so that the left flap just 'touches' the right one ??

And it makes sense to route the bridle that way. I will start to route it that way from now on.

Please share a pic of that

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[ernokaikkonen 0]

It took me while to understand what this

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Also, to preserve the longevity of your main tuck tab, route the bridle between the center flap and the side flap- not under the center flap.

...meant, but I think this(attached) was what Kelly meant. Green dotted line marks the proper route, between the side flap and the center flap -- the red line marking the 'incorrect' way, which on deployment will put stress on the tuck tab.

[jerm 0]

i think, but also tucking it between the two flaps, not just running down past the center flap.. that's a lot of bridle to be loose.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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Can you please explain why you think having the pin point up would cause any greater chance of having the ping get stuck in the closing loop? Don't you think if it were that impotant either way it would be covered in the owner's manual?

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It is covered in almost every owners manual I have ever seen including Velocity Sports, Rigging Innovations, Strong, Sunrise Rigging and Sunpath. If you check al these manuals, you will see they clearly show the pin in the smiley position

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With the curved pins of today i don't think it really matters anymore so long as thr bridle isn't locking the pin in place by being stowed too tightly in way or another, and i believe the way the pin is attached basically negate that possability. [/url]

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Yes but thats an annecdotal opinion. You will hear all kinds of opinions and techniques on rigging but the one rule is: When in doubt, always follow the manufacturers instructions

When i think about WHY would you want to do it that way more than another, i come up with: with all of the bumping/brushing etc that we doing moving aroud the plane, sitting on the floor/seat/etc, you're more likely to, especially if the flap has come open, but even through your flap, create some sort of pressure on that part of the rig from below you -- and if the pin is facing down, it can work its way out. With the pin facing up, the loop will just but up against the wide part of the pin.

That scenerio, i believe, is plenty more likely than snagging, and not something i'd like to have happen. ***