rmcvey 0 #1 February 3, 2003 I have a PD 126 reserve and it has a Max. load of 254 lbs. D.O.M 1997. Ive just bought a PD 126 for a friend who weighs 215 lbs, now i have it the warning label states it has a max load of 151 lbs. It was made in 1992. I presumed it would have the same limits as mine. Are there any differences between the way the two canopies are constructed, if so, why can the newer model be more heavily loaded. What should i do?? Is it safe for him to jump it?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #2 February 3, 2003 while turning to the Forum for help may yield some interesting answers, the best person would be John LeBlanc at PD..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #3 February 3, 2003 to say first, i am not sure about this at all, this is just what may of happened. they could of re tso'd and gotten higher standards, so then it would be approved to hold more weight. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #4 February 3, 2003 I know Vladi from skydive Deland jumps a PD 113 and he is much heavier than 215 lbs. I think the tso for the reserve is 190mph with 250 lbs. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #5 February 3, 2003 Yeah, I concur with Weid14. Speak to the man. I spoke to him regarding the Sabre 2 flying characteristics and that of my Raven II compared to a PD reserve. Oh yeah, and we also spoke about CReW, the Lightning and a possible Hybrid Spectre with a retractable pc. Very informative and insightful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 February 3, 2003 >Hybrid Spectre with a retractable pc. They make that and I'm ordering one tommorrow. Listening PD?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #7 February 3, 2003 As this is a last chance ( life or death ) decision please don't listen to anyone but the factory. P. D. can tell you if its safe to jump at that wing loading and they seem to be very helpfull in these matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 February 3, 2003 Designs change. You're comparing a 7 year old canopy to a 12 year old one. The only people how can tell you definitivey if there's a difference is the factory. Call them. It may be that they were simply TSO'd to a different standard, and are constructed the same way. Or, it may be that they are constructed differently and one is stronger. Ask the manufacturer. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #9 February 3, 2003 To earn a TSO, manufacturers must demonstrate consistent openings at a minimum of 254 pounds and various airspeeds. Wise manufacturers downgrade maximum weights on smaller reserves because they did not believe that ankles would survive landing at heavier weights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmcvey 0 #10 February 3, 2003 QuoteTo earn a TSO, manufacturers must demonstrate consistent openings at a minimum of 254 pounds and various airspeeds. Wise manufacturers downgrade maximum weights on smaller reserves because they did not believe that ankles would survive landing at heavier weights. So all reserves have to meet a 254lb test, regardless of size?? Is this all TSO'd reserves??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #11 February 3, 2003 I *think* the later TSO-D vs C has some different requirements. that's why the new smaller PD reserves have different loadings (the 106 adn the 113, I believe), best thing to do is call them, he'll talk all day about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 February 3, 2003 >To earn a TSO, manufacturers must demonstrate consistent >openings at a minimum of 254 pounds and various airspeeds. That was true of TSO C23c. C23d allows manufacturers to certify to their own chosen weights and speeds. Most newer gear is certified under d. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #13 February 4, 2003 It does not matter whether a reserve is certified under TSO C23b, C23C or C23D, it still has to satisfy the minimum requirements of 254 pounds at 150 knots. C23D allows manufacturers to certify reserves to heavier weights or higher airspeeds. The wiser manufacturers downgrade weight limits on their smaller reserves because they do not expect the ankles on a 254 pound skydiver to survive landing an itsy bitsy, teeny tiny Micro Raven 109 down wind, in the toolies surrounding Denver after he has scared his Cypres. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmcvey 0 #14 February 5, 2003 I spoke to PD and this was the reply..... QuoteHi Rob, The 126 is TSO'd to 254 lbs. The lower suggested weight limitations were from PD as a guide to a customers comfort level. Back in the earlier years jumpers weren't jumping such small heavily loaded canopies. We didn't want novices that weigh 200 plus pounds and normally jump a 200 square foot canopy to jump a 126 reserve because it is TSO'd to 254 lbs. The main guide should be what size main canopy you are jumping and what experience level you are at. All of our reserves are tested to weights of over 300 lbs and speeds exceeding 200 mph. Hope this answers your question. Rusty Vest PD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
