Stacy 0 #1 December 22, 2004 Just read an article on nsl.com saying that Gary Smith is joining up with Natasha Montgomery etal as a new Deland team. Anyone know what's going on with Majik?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albatross 0 #2 December 23, 2004 Rummor was that Gary and Solly were leaving and there were 2 spots open on the team. WHo is going to fill them?? I have heard rummors of Magik Blue.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #3 December 23, 2004 QuoteRummor was that Gary and Solly were leaving and there were 2 spots open on the team. WHo is going to fill them?? I have heard rummors of Magik Blue. Read the article, Gary has teamed up with Shannon and Ian. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #4 December 23, 2004 Maybe the Majik had acomplished their goals. Anyway Im looking forward to seeing the new teams that will be formed. I read the article and followed the link to the debateforum on NSL. One of the comments were a cold statement that Natasha was buying her way on good teams. The comment claims the team to be "hollow". QuoteNo big surprise that Natasha is buying her way to the top with a different team. Blade was ineligible so why not buy some eligible people. Go Natasha!!! Another hollow, meaningless team. I dont get it! If I had lots of money I too would buy player coaches for my team, move to DeLand - pretty much what the article says she did! Jumping with people better than yourself is the way to speed up learning process. I see nothing wrong with it! Also, who are to say the new team wont have great fun!? On the other part - Im not sure who it was directed at, but if it was questioning Gary, Shannon and Ian for joining the team... Why should their primary reason not be, that they truly enjoys helping new talents? Gary has achieved the highest possible in competitive skydiving, maybe now his focus is on other aspects. I think its great they are willing to share their knowledge! What am I missing, due to lack of background knowledge? Can anyone please explain this to me? _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeFe 0 #5 December 23, 2004 The remark on nsl.com clearly comes from a person who has no respect whatsoever to our sport and to the people who are pushing it forward. Shame Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #6 December 23, 2004 I've met Natasha while taking my first Airspeed camp late last fall/early winter. She had about 250-300 jumps at the time. When the Airspeed camp was beginning, she had already been in the tunnel for a full week geting personal coaching every day/all day. Plus, she was staying on to take yet another Airspeed camp, as well. (She had taken many Airspeed camps prior to that.) Even back then, she had so many tunnel hours and coached skydives that one or two other tunnel camp participants seemed almost envious about her ability to have such an accelerated skydiving progression due to her finances. My thoughts are that no matter how you look at it, Natasha is very dedicated to becoming an amazing 4-way skydiver through not only spending the $$$$, but also through time, dedication, hard-work, focus and drive. All the money in the world cannot give those qualities to a person. Personally, I think that she is a lovely person, and I hope that she kicks ass. Greatly looking forward to watching all the new teams in '05! Edited for typo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #7 December 23, 2004 QuoteOne of the comments were a cold statement that Natasha was buying her way on good teams. Well she is buying a team. There is no debate there. I however don't care if she can buy a team as long as she is in Open. I only dislike bought teams in Amature classes. QuoteWhy should their primary reason not be, that they truly enjoys helping new talents? I am willing to bet that is not the primary motivation. The primary motivation is money. There is nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend they are doing it for other reasons. Professional athletes get paid. These guys are professionals."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #8 December 23, 2004 QuoteRead the article, Gary has teamed up with Shannon and Ian. Thats till leaves Kyle (one amazing skydiver) and DVG....So it could still happen. I have heard other rumors....But since rumors are not worth shit, I will not bother spreading them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #9 December 23, 2004 QuoteI am willing to bet that is not the primary motivation. The primary motivation is money. There is nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend they are doing it for other reasons. You are right. If they did not get paid, they could not dedicate their life to skydiving and was limited to hoping for good weather on the weekends when the DZ is operating like most of us... I would like to think they do it for the love of skydiving and teaching. I bet its fun to have become so skilled, that new big talents / or just plain dedicated skydivers seek their coaching, - and then to be able to lift theese new talents and the entire sport to a higher level!! That beeing said, I agree they dont belong in the Amature class!! In denmark we only have A and AAA. Once you have participated in the AAA, you cant go back in the A, unless 2/4 of your new team still have not competed in the AAA. And if you win A you need to proceed to AAA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 December 23, 2004 QuoteYou are right. If they did not get paid, they could not dedicate their life to skydiving and was limited to hoping for good weather on the weekends when the DZ is operating like most of us... But still, I claim they do it for the love of skydiving and teaching. I bet its fun to have become so skilled, that new big talents / or just plain dedicated skydivers seek their coaching, - and then to be able to lift theese new talents and the entire sport to a higher level!! They do love the sport. However I doubt any of them would be jumping on that team if they were not getting paid. There is nothing wrong with that, but to claim they are doing it for the love of the sport is idealistic."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #11 December 23, 2004 Yeah, you are right. But I HOPE they do it for the sport!! _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 December 23, 2004 From the shots on the sites, she's attractive, skydives extremely well, and has $$$$$. What's there to be jealous of? And as for pulling together pros, no issue if in Open. Even last year she did the right thing and went in as 'guest'. If the guys were really only after money, then they wouldn't be skydiving either. It's still early, but that's a nice lineup no matter how you look at it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #13 December 23, 2004 QuoteFrom the shots on the sites, she's attractive You should see her in person. WOW Quoteskydives extremely well She rocks Quoteand has $$$$$ Yes, I think I love her QuoteAnd as for pulling together pros, no issue if in Open. Even last year she did the right thing and went in as 'guest'. They had to go guest due to Thomas. But I don't care who goes into open."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 December 23, 2004 Maybe at the March tunnel camp I'll get to see some of the hotshots in the area. Even hot rich skydiving women. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #15 December 23, 2004 Natasha is a really nice person and an awesome skydiver - she got to where she is by training HARD. It doesn't matter how much money you have - if you haven't got the drive or the skill to achieve it, it isn't going to happen. Everyone seems to be saying that she is buying this new team - did she say that in the interview? At her skydiving level now, she doesn't need to buy a team. Even if she is, what does it matter? In competition it comes down to SKILL. Most people spend a lot on coaching and she had the resources available to take her coaching to another level. Good on her. Hope she and her new team have a great year. The battle for Gold at US Nationals next year should be great to watch. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #16 December 23, 2004 QuoteNatasha is a really nice person and an awesome skydiver - she got to where she is by training HARD. It doesn't matter how much money you have - if you haven't got the drive or the skill to achieve it, it isn't going to happen. COMPLETELY AGREED, LIZ! (See my post above.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpwme 0 #17 December 23, 2004 Open is just that OPEN. All that matters is the final score. The best 5 at the end of the day win, period. IMO, the comment at NSL was out of line, but everybody is entitled to their opinion. After all, this is America. Feel free to disagree with the statement, but don't slam the person giving the opinion. GT has a chance to train along side Blade on several occassions. That team rocked flat out. Gotta agree with Ron, as long as they are in open why should anybody care. On the international scene, some teams are fully professional, paid salaries by their goverment. Admire the talent and the class with which Blade conducted themselves. IT doesn't get any better. Always willing to help other teams, first class all the way. Good luck to the new group. Steve. GT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #18 December 23, 2004 QuoteNatasha is a really nice person and an awesome skydiver Did you see me say otherwise? Quote she got to where she is by training HARD Did you see me say otherwise? QuoteIt doesn't matter how much money you have - if you haven't got the drive or the skill to achieve it, it isn't going to happen. Did you see me say otherwise? But you must admit being able to afford some of the best jumpers in the world helps TONS...But do you see me say anything bad? QuoteEveryone seems to be saying that she is buying this new team - did she say that in the interview? I live in FL, and I know more than the interview. Two of her new teammates and I talk pretty regularly. QuoteAt her skydiving level now, she doesn't need to buy a team. Well it seems she is...And I have not said anything abd about it have I? QuoteEven if she is, what does it matter? Have I said anything bad about it? Maybe you should not jump my shit so fast?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skykittykat 0 #19 December 24, 2004 QuoteMaybe you should not jump my shit so fast? I wasn't having a go at you Ron, I just hit reply on the nearest post on my screen. Maybe in the future I should just hit reply to the first post It was a general reply to where the thread was going - I always quote when replying to a specific post, like this one! Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdctlc 0 #20 December 24, 2004 Good for her/them. Open is the "Pro" class If someone has the Drive sometimes that is not enough. Others have the $$ but that is not enough sometimes either. IF the $$ and the drive is there great, lets see a Great team next year that will have to prove itself with points not $$. For the rest of us that are lacking in one or the other of the above noted items, lets watch and live with a tinge of "wish I could do that" ittis! Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #21 December 24, 2004 QuoteI wasn't having a go at you Ron, I just hit reply on the nearest post on my screen. Maybe in the future I should just hit reply to the first post Opps sorry then. Carry on. For the record I am happy for her, and for Fastrak. I think more Pro's should get paid. And as long as they are in open, they will get my support."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freefalle 0 #22 December 24, 2004 hey can some post a link to the article everyone is refering too, Ive tried but Im unable to locate it, thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #23 December 24, 2004 www.skyleague.com http://www.skyleague.com/pages/news/showArticles.php?story=256&PHPSESSID=3ba68866b799b26b25d5bc990f107024 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jmpwme 0 #17 December 23, 2004 Open is just that OPEN. All that matters is the final score. The best 5 at the end of the day win, period. IMO, the comment at NSL was out of line, but everybody is entitled to their opinion. After all, this is America. Feel free to disagree with the statement, but don't slam the person giving the opinion. GT has a chance to train along side Blade on several occassions. That team rocked flat out. Gotta agree with Ron, as long as they are in open why should anybody care. On the international scene, some teams are fully professional, paid salaries by their goverment. Admire the talent and the class with which Blade conducted themselves. IT doesn't get any better. Always willing to help other teams, first class all the way. Good luck to the new group. Steve. GT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #18 December 23, 2004 QuoteNatasha is a really nice person and an awesome skydiver Did you see me say otherwise? Quote she got to where she is by training HARD Did you see me say otherwise? QuoteIt doesn't matter how much money you have - if you haven't got the drive or the skill to achieve it, it isn't going to happen. Did you see me say otherwise? But you must admit being able to afford some of the best jumpers in the world helps TONS...But do you see me say anything bad? QuoteEveryone seems to be saying that she is buying this new team - did she say that in the interview? I live in FL, and I know more than the interview. Two of her new teammates and I talk pretty regularly. QuoteAt her skydiving level now, she doesn't need to buy a team. Well it seems she is...And I have not said anything abd about it have I? QuoteEven if she is, what does it matter? Have I said anything bad about it? Maybe you should not jump my shit so fast?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #19 December 24, 2004 QuoteMaybe you should not jump my shit so fast? I wasn't having a go at you Ron, I just hit reply on the nearest post on my screen. Maybe in the future I should just hit reply to the first post It was a general reply to where the thread was going - I always quote when replying to a specific post, like this one! Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #20 December 24, 2004 Good for her/them. Open is the "Pro" class If someone has the Drive sometimes that is not enough. Others have the $$ but that is not enough sometimes either. IF the $$ and the drive is there great, lets see a Great team next year that will have to prove itself with points not $$. For the rest of us that are lacking in one or the other of the above noted items, lets watch and live with a tinge of "wish I could do that" ittis! Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #21 December 24, 2004 QuoteI wasn't having a go at you Ron, I just hit reply on the nearest post on my screen. Maybe in the future I should just hit reply to the first post Opps sorry then. Carry on. For the record I am happy for her, and for Fastrak. I think more Pro's should get paid. And as long as they are in open, they will get my support."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefalle 0 #22 December 24, 2004 hey can some post a link to the article everyone is refering too, Ive tried but Im unable to locate it, thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #23 December 24, 2004 www.skyleague.com http://www.skyleague.com/pages/news/showArticles.php?story=256&PHPSESSID=3ba68866b799b26b25d5bc990f107024 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
