Newbie 0 #1 November 7, 2003 i haven't really tried this apart from on one jump, where i did a combination of a sideslide and used leg input to drive me forward, but i went off to the side too fast (too much side input) and then drove straight past my partner behind him about 5 metres (too much leg input). I'm interested to know though how experienced orbiters can move around someone in very close proximity though. Any ideas? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,121 #2 November 7, 2003 Quotei haven't really tried this apart from on one jump, where i did a combination of a sideslide and used leg input to drive me forward, but i went off to the side too fast (too much side input) and then drove straight past my partner behind him about 5 metres (too much leg input). I'm interested to know though how experienced orbiters can move around someone in very close proximity though. Any ideas? Use your eyes more than your legs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #3 November 7, 2003 QuoteQuotei haven't really tried this apart from on one jump, where i did a combination of a sideslide and used leg input to drive me forward, but i went off to the side too fast (too much side input) and then drove straight past my partner behind him about 5 metres (too much leg input). I'm interested to know though how experienced orbiters can move around someone in very close proximity though. Any ideas? Use your eyes more than your legs. thanks, can you elaborate on that somewhat? Obviosuly i gave too much input with my legs the one time i tried this, but how do i orbit, rather than going out to the side, forward, out to the side, forward etc etc etc. How do you actually "circle" someone smoothly? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 November 7, 2003 Kallend is right. {Details - a belly orbit is combining forward, side slide, and turning into one move. Learn each one well. Then, just practice a side slide near someone and try to keep your face towards them and CLOSE. You'll have best luck from a mantis as you want to get your energy from your knees to be most effective.} In other words, just use your eyes {i.e., stay relative and keep trying, your body will figure it out.} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,121 #5 November 7, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuotei haven't really tried this apart from on one jump, where i did a combination of a sideslide and used leg input to drive me forward, but i went off to the side too fast (too much side input) and then drove straight past my partner behind him about 5 metres (too much leg input). I'm interested to know though how experienced orbiters can move around someone in very close proximity though. Any ideas? Use your eyes more than your legs. thanks, can you elaborate on that somewhat? Obviosuly i gave too much input with my legs the one time i tried this, but how do i orbit, rather than going out to the side, forward, out to the side, forward etc etc etc. How do you actually "circle" someone smoothly? I suspect your problem is believing there is a "position" or "technique" that will do it for you. There isn't. You just have to keep your eyes open and make continual adjustments based on what you see. It's a feedback loop: you move, you see, you adjust, you move, you see, you adjust...... The fact that you got 5 meters away indicates that you allowed your movement to go unmonitored and unadjusted for too long.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #6 November 7, 2003 ok thanks, will try and use my eyes more than legs next time "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #7 November 7, 2003 Also, the more jumps you get, the more intuitively aware you'll become of how to make your body do what you want in the air. You're probably thinking WAY too much about the mechanics of doing it. You're probably to the point now where you can just think to yourself, "ok I need to turn left" and you go. You probably don't have to sit there and think, "Ok, left turn, left arm drops, right knee down, ok stop." Well it's the same thing with translation or superpositioning, though it may take more experience to get to that point. Just jump, go to the tunnel, and get comfortable with how your body flies, then you'll stop overthinking and start flying.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 November 7, 2003 QuoteJust jump, go to the tunnel,. Aw, that's your recommendation for everything. No, wait, that's my recommendation for everything.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #9 November 7, 2003 LOL, mine too. It must work, then, right?! Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 November 7, 2003 I don't know, my second camp is in two weeks (today). The third in April. And hopefully a ton more if I can take the rest of the team along. But the first was an epiphany, yeah, that's the word. Shannon and Lise were the absolute best. Lise is also sweet. I'd stand a better chance of winning the lottery if I bought a ticket. Then I'd just TAKE the team, instead of just 'take' the team. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruzit 0 #11 November 9, 2003 Try this great no contact drill dive. Go up with a buddy who lays base for you. Staying in close proximity, start out head to head. Move to a side body position, then cat, then other side, then back around head to head. You can switch off with your partner, or you can go back around the opposite direction. My husband and I used this drill dive a lot when I was learning to skydive. It really sharpens up your orbiting skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #12 November 10, 2003 thanks guys thats some good advice Many thanks "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red_Skydiver 0 #13 November 12, 2003 I've only got 62 jumps to my name so do not consider myself an authority on skydiving. What I do have however is plenty of experience in other sports. What makes a good sportsman is when they stop thinking about what they are doing and start FEELING. The best punches thrown in a boxing ring for instance are delivered without thought. I don't think there is a short cut, you have to practice, practice, practice until the movements become fluid, so keep jumping and don't beat yourself up because you can't get it right immediately - you WILL get there eventually. Be patient, think of it like you would a sculpture. The block you are sculpting from doesn't look like the end product but keep chipping away and eventually it starts to take on the shape you want - (blimey, don't know where that came from!!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,121 #14 November 12, 2003 QuoteBe patient, think of it like you would a sculpture. The block you are sculpting from doesn't look like the end product but keep chipping away and eventually it starts to take on the shape you want - (blimey, don't know where that came from!!) Michelangelo. He said the figures were already inside the stone and his job was to free them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
