Rookeskydiver 0 #1 January 27, 2003 price? and how long does the procedure take? thanks PCSS # 1 Rookeskydiver "Its a Wonka Bar"....."Go ahead Charlie open it, lets see that golden ticket" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #2 January 27, 2003 Quoteprice? and how long does the procedure take? thanks Depends, if it is a cypres ready rig Derek just includes it in the reserve repack since it only takes about 5 min.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #3 January 27, 2003 Cypres ready....no extra charge.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookeskydiver 0 #4 January 27, 2003 So your saying that any rigger would install a cypress on my rig for free? PCSS # 1 Rookeskydiver "Its a Wonka Bar"....."Go ahead Charlie open it, lets see that golden ticket" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #5 January 27, 2003 OK.. if the rig is packed, it's cypress ready, and I was the rigger, then you get charged for a repack. So far there are no exeptions. Some shops may charge a nominal fee. What kind of rig do you have?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmcvey 0 #6 January 27, 2003 If the rigs cypress ready, and is not packed, read the manual thoroughly and give it a go yourself. Just make sure your rigger knows so they can give it a check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #7 January 27, 2003 No... you may not give it a go your self. Thats in violation of the FAR's. That is strictly rigger or rigger supervised area. There is a method to the madness of installing a Cypres and you need to follow it as to not damage the unit. I'd do it for free and so does my teaching rigger as long as the rig is cypres ready, but I know a few riggers that charge less then $10 so that they can inspect the unit more, and stuff.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #8 January 27, 2003 I wasn't charged for it either, just a part of my repack. That's at Paragone in ZHills though. Can't speak for other DZs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #9 January 27, 2003 QuoteSo your saying that any rigger would install a cypress on my rig for free? No... It depends on the rigger. I know some that charge about $10 for the install, even when it's installed during a regular repack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #10 January 28, 2003 Phree, My understanding is that it is master rigger territory due to it being a modification to the reserve deployment system....(which I think is crap) Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #11 January 28, 2003 QuoteMy understanding is that it is master rigger territory due to it being a modification to the reserve deployment system A senior rigger can assemble an AAD, if the container is set-up for it, i.e. "Cypres Ready". If it isn't, then it is Master Rigger territory. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #12 January 28, 2003 IIRC it's master rigger territory if the container did not come Cypres ready from the factory, senior rigger if the container did come Cypres ready from the factory. Which made sense to me - installing the Cypres is technically a modification if the container was not originally Cypres ready; the pockets and channels have to be sewn into the reserve container. Installing a Cypres in a new rig that already has the pockets and channels is simply a matter of following instructions and is not a modification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #13 January 28, 2003 QuotePhree, My understanding is that it is master rigger territory due to it being a modification to the reserve deployment system....(which I think is crap) According to the Parachute Rigging Course, 2000 revision, original installation is a master rigger job. With the manufacturer's authorization, installation of an AAD in an AAD-ready rig is a senior rigger job. Removal and reinstallation of any AAD for service or cleaning is a senior rigger job. My Vector 3 manual says, "A Master Rigger rating is still required even if the system is already prepared by the Relative Workshop to accept the AAD." I believe this is the latest manual (bought a month ago), and I can't find any updates or service bulletins on RWS' web site. On the other hand, the reserve assembly and packing instruction's on Mirage's website seem to indicate that the entire process (including Cypres installation) can be done by a senior rigger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 January 28, 2003 I think this one was successfully argued many times to the FAA and it was decided Senior riggers could install them. It depends upon whether there is any sewing involved. If the rig leaves the factory "Cypres/Astra-ready" and it is a simple slide-in installation with maybe a little hand tacking, then a Senior Rigger can do it. If there is any machine sewing involved, then the FAA considers it an "alteration" to a reserve container and you have to call in a Master Rigger.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #15 January 28, 2003 Quote"A Master Rigger rating is still required even if the system is already prepared by the Relative Workshop to accept the AAD." This would be a Mfg. requirement not the FAA. If this were true only a Master Rigger could remove and install a Cypress sent off for 4 and 8 year checks or battery changes. In fact a Senior Rigger could not even check the dates since it would require removing the main unit for inspection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #16 January 28, 2003 On this topic precise word choice is important. We went over this several times at DeWolf's course because a few people were confused. "Install an AAD" means to make an alteration to the container to accept the use of an AAD. Master rigger teritory. "Assembly of an AAD" means to place an AAD in a manufacturer approved cypres ready container. Senior rigger territory. See AC105-2C God love the legalease of the FAR's Ken "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper1432 0 #17 January 28, 2003 No charge unless rig has to be modified to hold CYPRES. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plucky 0 #18 January 28, 2003 QuoteOK.. if the rig is packed, it's cypress ready, and I was the rigger, then you get charged for a repack. So far there are no exeptions.reply] I took my new cypres and rig to the same rigger who packed my reserve last. He charged me a fiver (about $8 US ) to install it, as it was aleady cypres-ready (had one in previously). Blue skies, high dives (does anyone sayt hat anymore?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
