Hooknswoop 19 #1 January 14, 2003 I just opened a reserve that had been assembled and packed once. The links were not tightened down, with one link having several threads showing. I could remove all 4 links (washing the container) without a wrench. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 January 14, 2003 When something like that happens, do you look up the rigger that did it and call him/her? Would you think that it would be a good idea for a rigger to do that for another rigger?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #3 January 14, 2003 Quietly, yes. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dex 0 #4 January 14, 2003 Do you inform the person (owner) who gave you the rig to be packed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #5 January 14, 2003 QuoteDo you inform the person (owner) who gave you the rig to be packed? The rigger fixxed the issue, brought it to the attention of the rigger who made the mistake. The rigger is probably a competant rigger that will no longer be complacent. "Quietly yes" is a good answer.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dex 0 #6 January 14, 2003 Quote The rigger fixxed the issue, brought it to the attention of the rigger who made the mistake. The rigger is probably a competant rigger that will no longer be complacent. "Quietly yes" is a good answer. and in all likelyhood the reserve would have worked... I'm not a rigger and I haven't ever jumped/tested loose links so I'm guessing.. but I would bet that the links would not break/release line groups under normal circumstances even if they were only finger tightened. "Quietly Yes" is a good answer.. although if it were my rig I'd like to know that the problem existed... I'm curious as to what others think on this type of question so I've started a new thread to ask a more general and less directed (at any one rigger) question. It's in the gear and rigging forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichM 0 #7 January 14, 2003 Quote The rigger is probably a competant rigger that will no longer be complacent. What makes you think he will not return to complacency after a while? What then is the definition of a competant rigger - one who gets it right 98% of the time but has got away with it because he does most of the repacks and no-one has ever died as a results of a mistake? Should we wait for someone to die as a direct result of a reserve repack mistake before taking action?Rich M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #8 January 14, 2003 QuoteI would bet that the links would not break/release line groups under normal circumstances even if they were only finger tightened. Can't always count on "normal" circumstances when you're talking about a reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dex 0 #9 January 14, 2003 Quote Can't always count on "normal" circumstances when you're talking about a reserve. No question there, I wouldn't jump a rig if I knew the hard links were not correctly installed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #10 January 14, 2003 QuoteI wouldn't jump a rig if I knew the hard links were not correctly installed. Unless they are riggers, most jumpers will never see their reserve. When was the last time any non-rigger out there checked their reserve's links? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #11 January 14, 2003 I was certain I would get some flamage about this. I agree that leaving links loose is bad... Very bad. What makes me think that he will no longer be complacent is he made a serious mistake. He is not the only one to have done that. I have caught the mistake myself and the person who did it, would be my rigger if I wasn't my own. Reputable shops have f***ed up. Many things have been documented and pictures have been shown to the public. No I'm not going to go look for some and show you. QuoteShould we wait for someone to die as a direct result of a reserve repack mistake before taking action? What makes you think no action was taken? Quietly to you, does not mean quietly to the rigger who made the mistake. Quiet also does not mean keeping a secret. You can count on the the fact that the riggers stomach sank at the possibility of a link coming open. <===ammo to flame right there... Fortunately Riggers are human. Unfortunately Riggers are human. It's a double edged sword. You are welcome to flame my post. I can handle it. I will continue to do the best job as a rigger I can. The riggers I know that I trust and admire will also. A couple years ago I had a long discussion with a rigger who I thought was going to eventually kill someone. I brought it to the attention of another rigger who then agreed whole heartedly. It was a tough talk to have. He didn't know he was creating potential problems However, I would trust my life to him now. No question about it. I didn't wait for any one to die or go around spreading what I saw. I've had my own personal seminars with riggers. Ive learned some cool shit. I've tought some cool shit. No body was quiet. Everyone learned. The jumpers have an exceptional rigger servicing their parachutes. Lets see where this goes.. I'll stop now. TimMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dex 0 #12 January 14, 2003 Quote >> I wouldn't jump a rig if I knew the hard links were not correctly installed. Unless they are riggers, most jumpers will never see their reserve. When was the last time any non-rigger out there checked their reserve's links? If the jumpers were concerned they could check their reserve before the next repack... other then that it's a trust thing if you didn't watch. I watched my rigger assemble and pack my reserve when I got my first rig... not to check up on him but simply because I wanted to know more. I had a whopping 50 jumps at the time but my rigger was happy to explain what he was doing... I assume most would be if when they had the time... The next time I need a repack and plan to watch it I'll look over my rig after I pop it.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #13 January 14, 2003 I don't care if I have the time. I will always let the user watch me pack. I encourage it. No matter what, any one is welcome any time, to visit and be present during a pack job. I want them to pull the handles and then we unpack it orderly and go on from there.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #14 January 14, 2003 See discussion here. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=348069;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unreadI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #15 January 14, 2003 I was a rigger back in the olden days. My biggest fear was that I might mess up a pack job for someone. I'd check and recheck things, but there's still that chance you might forget something. I suppose it is the weight of this responsibility that helps to keep things safe. Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeffGordon 0 #16 January 15, 2003 I watch my rigger pack my reserve. I don't do it every time and I trust him a lot, but like you hear often "Your safety is your responsibility" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
