DocPop 1 #26 April 16, 2010 I agree. I have had a Sabre2 150 (@ 1.3) since about 60 jumps and am enjoying it but never found it too much to handle. Just my experience/opinion. Your mileage may vary."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #27 April 18, 2010 QuoteRight now I have 80 jumps, by the time I get a canopy I'll have at least 120. I've been jumping Manta 288, Navigator 280, Navigator 260, Raider 220, and accuracy canopy Kluz K-360... And I weight only 65 kg...Quote Couple of tips from local standpoint... Because I know your DZO (and gear that he distributes), you will likely only get to choose between PD and maybe something more exotic like Firebird. Path with K-360 (which is a Parafoil-270 copy) is not a good one if you wish to practice CP (except piloting for classic accuracy and CRW). Those bigass canopies fly very different and flare different from even big Navigator. I also know that demoing in Serbia is almost impossible. So not so much chance for you to try before you buy. As guys here told you already, all things considered, get back to Navigator. With that K-360, the switch on some smaller, modern design 9-cell canopy will be significant. You will benefit more from Nav. *Also, stay away from any PD-9 cell 190 that somebody might offer to you, no matter how cheap it will be. That specific canopy had too many owners. Ask yourself why.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyingstrauss 0 #28 April 20, 2010 Znam brate, ali ne mogu da se vratim na Navigatora, jer moram da se takmicim u cilju za klub... Tako da nemam bas puno izbora, osim da probam par stilleto-a i sabre-a, koje imaju ljudi koji dolaze da skacu, pa da se odlucim... A za taj PD-190 znam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mircan 0 #29 April 20, 2010 Transition from Parafoil to Stiletto at 80 jumps is going to get you killed (or seriously injured). Smaller Sabres that people on your DZ jump also. My friend from BL had 300+ jumps with Parafoils and ended with broken back under Sabre1 because nobody could give him any advice or coaching on how to fly it. If you want to go for the swooping, just forget about accuracy parachutes. You don`t HAVE to do anything, unless maybe you get free jumps if you jump Parafoils, and I think is not the case. As I see, you don`t get to jump that much so why waste your money and time when you just can`t become good at both disciplines at the same time. You could always go for the northern DZs. They mostly don`t do classic accuracy... just my2cdudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyingstrauss 0 #30 April 21, 2010 I'm avare of that, but I won't jump Stilleto or Sabre before I make about 150 jumps... And yes, I do get free jumps at the dropzone for jumping accuracy ... So I'm in pretty bad situation... The only way for me to start jumping parachute for canopy piloting is to buy one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mircan 0 #31 April 21, 2010 Quote I'm avare of that, but I won't jump Stilleto or Sabre before I make about 150 jumps... And yes, I do get free jumps at the dropzone for jumping accuracy ... So I'm in pretty bad situation... The only way for me to start jumping parachute for canopy piloting is to buy one... Tough luck dude. Find a good job, save money, buy canopy and jump whatever discipline you want. Jumping accuracy just because you "have to" sucks. * Stay away from Stiletto even after 150 jumps no matter what anyone tells you.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DocPop 1 #32 April 21, 2010 Quote And yes, I do get free jumps... Quote Tough luck dude "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #33 April 21, 2010 QuoteStay away from Stiletto even after 150 jumps no matter what anyone tells you. What a ridiculous statement.Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mircan 0 #34 April 21, 2010 Care to explain why?dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mircan 0 #35 April 21, 2010 Quote Quote And yes, I do get free jumps... Quote Tough luck dude No, it is really "tough luck" (except if you really like to jump classic accuracy). You see, his DZ only endorses that discipline. So when he is done with first 15-20 jumps they shift him from student type canopies (Navs, Mantas and Solos) to some big accuracy canopy like Parafoil. In this case it`s even worse, because he gets to jump EX-YU copy of Parafoil which has at least 1000 jumps (it`s F-111). He then, must get into accuracy team and must jump only that kind of jumps, weather he likes it or not. If he likes it - good, but if he want to jump some other type of jumps... Tough luck... Then he usually saves some money and buy some cheap pd-9cell with kazillion of jumps that can`t flare for sh*t and jumps it for some time. Then he realizes that this is not working, piles up more cash, buys Sabre or even Stiletto in 135 range. And if he`s lucky he survives enough jumps to learn how to fly it. If he is not so lucky, he gets broken. Canopy coaching in this country and surrounding ones, except In Hungary, is NON-EXISTANT. There is NOBODY here that can teach you anything about flying modern (HP) canopies. One could say that he should go to some other DZ for CP coaching, but that would require money and he does not have that much in the first place. So, he is stuck with accuracy tuffet,hop-and-pops, and "sink in" approaches. Still, if you like to jump accuracy you are on the easy street dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tetra316 0 #36 April 21, 2010 Tough luck, I don't think soHe is getting free jumps with all the gear provided. If he wants to jump something else, suck it up and buy what he wants. We all did. Free jumps in the US is unheard of like you are explaining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mircan 0 #37 April 21, 2010 Quote Tough luck, I don't think soHe is getting free jumps with all the gear provided. If he wants to jump something else, suck it up and buy what he wants. We all did. Free jumps in the US is unheard of like you are explaining. Well, that`s exactly what I was talking about, Suck it up and save money, buy something and then jump whatever he wants. And you jump to conclusion that he gets "free" jumps. There is no such thing as free lunch. He will work it out one way or another. Been there, done that. I did my first 300+ jumps in similar arrangement, when I finally bought my first chute and started jumping what I really wanted, I got kicked out of my DZ. This part of the world has it`s own quirks that most of you people from the "west" don`t understand. Imagine that somebody says to you that you are going to do only, and only, CRW jumps (no pun intended). I bet you would get tired of it pretty fast... But we hijacked the thread... He is going to have hard time finding canopy and adequate coach. Transitional canopies in 190 sqft range and CP coaching here are almost non-existant.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tetra316 0 #38 April 21, 2010 Quote Quote Tough luck, I don't think soHe is getting free jumps with all the gear provided. If he wants to jump something else, suck it up and buy what he wants. We all did. Free jumps in the US is unheard of like you are explaining. Well, that`s exactly what I was talking about, Suck it up and save money, buy something and then jump whatever he wants. And you jump to conclusion that he gets "free" jumps. There is no such thing as free lunch. He will work it out one way or another. Been there, done that. I did my first 300+ jumps in similar arrangement, when I finally bought my first chute and started jumping what I really wanted, I got kicked out of my DZ. This part of the world has it`s own quirks that most of you people from the "west" don`t understand. Imagine that somebody says to you that you are going to do only, and only, CRW jumps (no pun intended). I bet you would get tired of it pretty fast... But we hijacked the thread... He is going to have hard time finding canopy and adequate coach. Transitional canopies in 190 sqft range and CP coaching here are almost non-existant. If he doesn't like it then he can always quit jumping Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #39 April 21, 2010 Quote Care to explain why? Because I totally mis-read what you were trying to say. DOH! Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites frost 1 #40 April 21, 2010 I think you were just in the Senior SoFPiDaRF instructor state of mind, gently steering lost and misguided canopy pilots toward the bright light... err.. i mean canopy piloting greatness! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mircan 0 #41 April 21, 2010 Oh sorry my greatness.... I didn`t realize that you are noble Senior SoFPiDaRF instructor... Sorry... dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertimeunc 0 #42 April 23, 2010 I started out on a Spectre 210 loaded at 1:1. Fantastic canopy, and you can learn anything you want with it. Just my $.02, and make sure to get instruction. The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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flyingstrauss 0 #28 April 20, 2010 Znam brate, ali ne mogu da se vratim na Navigatora, jer moram da se takmicim u cilju za klub... Tako da nemam bas puno izbora, osim da probam par stilleto-a i sabre-a, koje imaju ljudi koji dolaze da skacu, pa da se odlucim... A za taj PD-190 znam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #29 April 20, 2010 Transition from Parafoil to Stiletto at 80 jumps is going to get you killed (or seriously injured). Smaller Sabres that people on your DZ jump also. My friend from BL had 300+ jumps with Parafoils and ended with broken back under Sabre1 because nobody could give him any advice or coaching on how to fly it. If you want to go for the swooping, just forget about accuracy parachutes. You don`t HAVE to do anything, unless maybe you get free jumps if you jump Parafoils, and I think is not the case. As I see, you don`t get to jump that much so why waste your money and time when you just can`t become good at both disciplines at the same time. You could always go for the northern DZs. They mostly don`t do classic accuracy... just my2cdudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingstrauss 0 #30 April 21, 2010 I'm avare of that, but I won't jump Stilleto or Sabre before I make about 150 jumps... And yes, I do get free jumps at the dropzone for jumping accuracy ... So I'm in pretty bad situation... The only way for me to start jumping parachute for canopy piloting is to buy one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #31 April 21, 2010 Quote I'm avare of that, but I won't jump Stilleto or Sabre before I make about 150 jumps... And yes, I do get free jumps at the dropzone for jumping accuracy ... So I'm in pretty bad situation... The only way for me to start jumping parachute for canopy piloting is to buy one... Tough luck dude. Find a good job, save money, buy canopy and jump whatever discipline you want. Jumping accuracy just because you "have to" sucks. * Stay away from Stiletto even after 150 jumps no matter what anyone tells you.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #32 April 21, 2010 Quote And yes, I do get free jumps... Quote Tough luck dude "The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #33 April 21, 2010 QuoteStay away from Stiletto even after 150 jumps no matter what anyone tells you. What a ridiculous statement.Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #34 April 21, 2010 Care to explain why?dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #35 April 21, 2010 Quote Quote And yes, I do get free jumps... Quote Tough luck dude No, it is really "tough luck" (except if you really like to jump classic accuracy). You see, his DZ only endorses that discipline. So when he is done with first 15-20 jumps they shift him from student type canopies (Navs, Mantas and Solos) to some big accuracy canopy like Parafoil. In this case it`s even worse, because he gets to jump EX-YU copy of Parafoil which has at least 1000 jumps (it`s F-111). He then, must get into accuracy team and must jump only that kind of jumps, weather he likes it or not. If he likes it - good, but if he want to jump some other type of jumps... Tough luck... Then he usually saves some money and buy some cheap pd-9cell with kazillion of jumps that can`t flare for sh*t and jumps it for some time. Then he realizes that this is not working, piles up more cash, buys Sabre or even Stiletto in 135 range. And if he`s lucky he survives enough jumps to learn how to fly it. If he is not so lucky, he gets broken. Canopy coaching in this country and surrounding ones, except In Hungary, is NON-EXISTANT. There is NOBODY here that can teach you anything about flying modern (HP) canopies. One could say that he should go to some other DZ for CP coaching, but that would require money and he does not have that much in the first place. So, he is stuck with accuracy tuffet,hop-and-pops, and "sink in" approaches. Still, if you like to jump accuracy you are on the easy street dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #36 April 21, 2010 Tough luck, I don't think soHe is getting free jumps with all the gear provided. If he wants to jump something else, suck it up and buy what he wants. We all did. Free jumps in the US is unheard of like you are explaining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #37 April 21, 2010 Quote Tough luck, I don't think soHe is getting free jumps with all the gear provided. If he wants to jump something else, suck it up and buy what he wants. We all did. Free jumps in the US is unheard of like you are explaining. Well, that`s exactly what I was talking about, Suck it up and save money, buy something and then jump whatever he wants. And you jump to conclusion that he gets "free" jumps. There is no such thing as free lunch. He will work it out one way or another. Been there, done that. I did my first 300+ jumps in similar arrangement, when I finally bought my first chute and started jumping what I really wanted, I got kicked out of my DZ. This part of the world has it`s own quirks that most of you people from the "west" don`t understand. Imagine that somebody says to you that you are going to do only, and only, CRW jumps (no pun intended). I bet you would get tired of it pretty fast... But we hijacked the thread... He is going to have hard time finding canopy and adequate coach. Transitional canopies in 190 sqft range and CP coaching here are almost non-existant.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #38 April 21, 2010 Quote Quote Tough luck, I don't think soHe is getting free jumps with all the gear provided. If he wants to jump something else, suck it up and buy what he wants. We all did. Free jumps in the US is unheard of like you are explaining. Well, that`s exactly what I was talking about, Suck it up and save money, buy something and then jump whatever he wants. And you jump to conclusion that he gets "free" jumps. There is no such thing as free lunch. He will work it out one way or another. Been there, done that. I did my first 300+ jumps in similar arrangement, when I finally bought my first chute and started jumping what I really wanted, I got kicked out of my DZ. This part of the world has it`s own quirks that most of you people from the "west" don`t understand. Imagine that somebody says to you that you are going to do only, and only, CRW jumps (no pun intended). I bet you would get tired of it pretty fast... But we hijacked the thread... He is going to have hard time finding canopy and adequate coach. Transitional canopies in 190 sqft range and CP coaching here are almost non-existant. If he doesn't like it then he can always quit jumping Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #39 April 21, 2010 Quote Care to explain why? Because I totally mis-read what you were trying to say. DOH! Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #40 April 21, 2010 I think you were just in the Senior SoFPiDaRF instructor state of mind, gently steering lost and misguided canopy pilots toward the bright light... err.. i mean canopy piloting greatness! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #41 April 21, 2010 Oh sorry my greatness.... I didn`t realize that you are noble Senior SoFPiDaRF instructor... Sorry... dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertimeunc 0 #42 April 23, 2010 I started out on a Spectre 210 loaded at 1:1. Fantastic canopy, and you can learn anything you want with it. Just my $.02, and make sure to get instruction. The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
