Initiating harness turns

[StreetScooby 5]

I just took Brian Germain's canopy control course. I'm interesting in hearing how other people initiate their harness turns.

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[phoenixlpr 0]

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I just took Brian Germain's canopy control course. I'm interesting in hearing how other people initiate their harness turns.

Simple. Left turn: I lean to the left, I lift my right hip, than my canopy banks something like 20 degrees to the left and here we go.

[lilchief 1]

Double fronts, slowly release right front riser to start a left turn, lean over and rotate hips to the left. If I need faster rotation, i curl my torso to the left and put my left left leg backwards and push it further up.

...complicated! *puh*

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[StreetScooby 5]

What canopy are you flying?

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[dharma1976 0]

I fold the left or right side of my body under the opposite side somewhat extremely

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[phoenixlpr 0]

The small one from my profile . WL 2.2+

[StreetScooby 5]

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WL 2.2+

My loading is about 1.0.

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[davelepka 4]

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My loading is about 1.0.

I'm not sure what you're getting at asking how people initiate harness turns, but if you're looking for tips, it's not going to happen.

At lower WL, for various reasons, harness turns aren't a very effective control input. If you're trying to get more out of your harness turns, you may be fighting a losing battle.

[phoenixlpr 0]

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Shocked My loading is about 1.0.

Well, its starting to be an annoyance with WL 1.3, something you might you @ WL 1.6, a real sharp tool over 2.0

I can fly my canopy without breaks and use them just for flaring.

[Chubba 0]

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At lower WL, for various reasons, harness turns aren't a very effective control input. If you're trying to get more out of your harness turns, you may be fighting a losing battle.

I've got into the habit of doing harness turns @ 1.0 because of Brian Germains article on coordinated turns.

I have no idea if it's actually doing anything TBH, all it seems to do is make newer jumpers go "wtf are you doing with your legs?" when I land :)

[davelepka 4]

Here's one idea, on a more loaded canopy there's a tendency to dive more in any type of turn. Keeping in mind that the effectiveness of control inputs goes up as airspeed goes up, you can see how a slight harness turn can start off slow, but as the canopy starts to dive and build speed that same input begins to equal more and more response. Soon enough you've got a good rate of turn with just a harness turn on a more loaded canopy.

Think also about toggle turns with your canopy. With anything past, lets say a 90, when you release the input, the canopy has built enough speed that with no input it's making lift and floats it's way right out of the dive. This is a characteristic of lower WL canopies that they don't really dive very far after a turn because it doesn't take much of an increase in arispeed to get that big canopy produding lift, and pulling itself out of a dive.

Now take that to a harness turn, and you can see how even if you can get it going, it doesn't go very far with a lower WL. Higher loaded canopies fall into that cycle of the turn makes you speed up, and the speed makes you turn faster, and can keep accelerating for a few rotations. Lower WL just don't fall into that cycle, so you never get much of a result from the harness.

There's also the idea that a harness turn on a 100 sq ft canopy, and a harness turn on a 200 sq ft canopy are kind of the same degree of input.

When you toggle turn your canopy, you can pull the toggle down to your hip if you want. If I try that at 2.0 on my Velo, it wouldn't go so well.

Take that concept to the harness, and figure that you and I can both offset the harness to the same degree, let's say we can get a differential of five inches between the three rings. That five inches will produce a much different effect on my canopy than on yours. You would need to pull one of your three rings to your hip to get same response I get from the five inches.

Play around with just the harness at altitude, and see what you can see.

[StreetScooby 5]

Harness turns help keep my pilot chute directly behind the canopy, in line with the chord. Very noticeable.

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[pchapman 279]

I also slip my leg straps forward, allowing more input when bringing one leg down. And for better turns the chest strap should of course be loose.

[ianmdrennan 2]

While doing a military camp I was jumping a pd silhouette 170 @ 1.1 - it was quite effective at harness turns.

It requires a different technique though, it's somewhat hard to explain online, but it's a torquing motion - similar to a "method" freestyle move.

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[AggieDave 6]

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It requires a different technique though, it's somewhat hard to explain online, but it's a torquing motion - similar to a "method" freestyle move.

I call it "walking over." If I want to go right, I "walk over" my right leg with my left leg. It turns my hips aggressively to the right and kind of crosses my legs at the thighs, but it doesn't really "cross" my legs.

Is that what you did?

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[ianmdrennan 2]

It sounds that way.

Basically, instead of using the front riser to turn (ie pulling down), I use it as leverage so I can torque my body around 90 degrees.

There's a really nice pic of JT doing it under a velo out there somewhere.

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Ian

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[dharma1976 0]

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While doing a military camp I was jumping a pd silhouette 170 @ 1.1 - it was quite effective at harness turns.

It requires a different technique though, it's somewhat hard to explain online, but it's a torquing motion - similar to a "method" freestyle move.

Blues,
Ian

thats about what I do it makes all the other inputs so much easier...

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[packing_jarrett 0]

I do harness turns by leaning in the direction i want to turn.

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[piisfish 140]

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cool canopy, looks like the Red Baron
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[StreetScooby 5]

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I call it "walking over." If I want to go right, I "walk over" my right leg with my left leg. It turns my hips aggressively to the right and kind of crosses my legs at the thighs, but it doesn't really "cross" my legs.

Basically, instead of using the front riser to turn (ie pulling down), I use it as leverage so I can torque my body around 90 degrees.

Thanks!

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