ianmdrennan 2 #26 October 7, 2008 QuoteThanks Ian..... that is what the plan is for the weekend. This just sucks getting a canopy that only has 2 jumps on it (new) and it has problems. I appreciate everyones insight! Blues, Rob Yeah, that definitely sucks. It also happens to just about every manufacturer out there at some time or another. Hopefully you have a good customer experience and that the company in question does what's needed to rectify any problems that may be discovered. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #27 October 7, 2008 Quote PC shouldn't effect your inflation end cell issues. Ian, If the PC is a non-collaspible type it could/can have an effect to the later part of inflation. The tugging and pulling of the topskin by the inflated PC could be part of the problem. Just thinking outside of the box......... Cheers, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #28 October 7, 2008 Well I am going to give that a go as well as other some other possible solutions. Thanks for the input!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #29 October 8, 2008 Sure, but I don't see how it would result in collapsed endcells, quite the opposite, actually.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #30 October 8, 2008 The problem isn't just the end cells but 4 of the cells on the left. Half of the cels inflate... the rear of them but the front section of the cells do not. When it is opening it loks like something is pushing doen on the top of the cells in the front. That is why I was wondering if the the PC was maybe pulling the topskin back to the point that it was closing the front of the cells??Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #31 October 8, 2008 Sure, but only on the one side of the canopy? That's not very likely.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #32 October 8, 2008 I wondered about that as well unless the PC just naturally pulls one side more because of what side we throw the PC from out of a BOC. I know I'm reaching just hoping there is something to this so I do not have to send it back to Icarus :( I just don't wanna...... but you are probably right.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #33 October 8, 2008 Do you have a collapsable pilot chute?Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #34 October 8, 2008 no it is an f-111 non-collapsable.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #35 October 8, 2008 Well, like Mel says it *could* be part of the problem (although I doubt it). Surely your rigger, or someone you know, can give you access to a collapsable pilot chute for a day to test it out. It can't make the problem worse and will at least allow you to rule something out (possibly). In case you haven't jumped one before, make sure you get proper instruction on how to use them. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #36 October 8, 2008 Word Ian.... I plan on doing that. I think there is one at the DZ I could use or atleast borrow. Blues RobLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #37 October 8, 2008 *** Sure, but I don't see how it would result in collapsed endcells, quite the opposite, actually *** You are thinking one dimensional. When the canopy has gone through center cell inflation, the canopy starts some forward movement even before the ends cells are open fully. If the center cell is held back to some degree, it could make the end cells roll under enough to not allow them to inflate. The bridal attachment point is just behind the "B" rib loading tapes, so it is possible. Cheers, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #38 October 8, 2008 QuoteIf the center cell is held back to some degree, it could make the end cells roll under enough to not allow them to inflate. The bridal attachment point is just behind the "B" rib loading tapes, so it is possible. I can see what you're saying, but do you think it is likely? Not that it is possible, but that it is the likely problem?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #39 October 8, 2008 The non-collaspable PC does not help matters on a higher performance, high aspect ratio canopy. But with that said, there are probably manufacturing issues involved, but let's wait and see. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #40 October 8, 2008 QuoteThe non-collaspable PC does not help matters on a higher performance, high aspect ratio canopy. That is something that I can't disagree with at any level. QuoteBut with that said, there are probably manufacturing issues involved, but let's wait and see. That's why I asked. I was curious to see if you believed that the PC was the "root of all evil" in this case.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #41 October 8, 2008 Once again thanks guys! Mel..... it gives me some hope that the PC may be part of the problem and maybe I won't have to send it back. Especially because you work on Icarus canopies :) I really don't want to send it in and have to jump a 254 F-111 again and I don't want to deal with the headache. Blues!! RobLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #42 October 9, 2008 If The PC does not help, I would then focus on the slider. When the Safire II came out the sliders were to large. I came up with two slider sizes to use rather than using the scaled versions for different sized canopies. I think the larger canopies probably need a little more span on them, thus a third sized slider. Let me know the results of jumping with a different PC. You need to change it out anyway for swooping. :) Cheers, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #43 October 9, 2008 Well we shall see and I will let you know what the results are from this weekend. I am excited about swooping and cannot believe what kind of glide this canopy has with a typical non-high performance landing. Should be fun! Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #44 October 14, 2008 So.... this past weekend was fun and I tried many things. First tried packing it different ways i.e. nose out or somewhat in and the whole nose did not open after that. :( changed out the PC with a kill line and much smaller PC no change but flew a lot better once open :) I had another jumper jump my rig and had the same result then hooked up the canopy to another rig and riser set but still no change. Finally we threw on a new and bigger slider. I Had an amazing opening but with a 2000' snivel. I jumped it again and dumped at 6000' blew through 2000' then pumped the rear risers and finally unstowed the breaks for a great opening at about 2500 AGL (that of course is because we just grabbed a big slider not made for the canopy) So at the end of the day.... the canopy is going back to the very ready and willing Icarus service center. I will update once I find out what the problem was but if there are any more suggestions please feel free to share. Blues!! RobLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
