bofh 0 #1 July 21, 2007 This is yet another of those posts... I've got a crossfire2-129 (@1.4) and a safire2-139. I jump the safire with wingsuits and the crossfire for other jumps. I'm not doing much more than double-front approaches and trying to let the canopies plane out on their own. In both cases, it is quite near the ground. Sometimes I make a 90 degree turn a bit high and try to keep the speed with double front risers. When asking local swoopers about learning to make hook turns, I've gotten some mixed answers. Some say it would be better for me to have a little smaller crossfire to learn on since the recovery arc would be a bit longer, others says its better to learn on the safire as the speed would be slower... What's your opinions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #2 July 21, 2007 I jump a crossfire now...I learned to swoop on a sabre2 170... The crossfire can bite you in the arse if you arent on top of your game... god I am glad I learned to be on top of my game on the sabre2's I could show you some footage of some bad early crossfire swoops that could have hurt me real bad if you like? Cheers Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironmanjay 0 #3 July 21, 2007 QuoteI jump a crossfire now...I learned to swoop on a sabre2 170...Quote Just curious what was your wing loading on that sabre 2 170 ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #4 July 22, 2007 it was loaded at 1.2647058823529411 according to the wingload calculator.... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites loumeinhart 0 #5 July 23, 2007 I load my s2 170 at 1.2 and am doing front riser 90's. The recovery arc is really short. I start my dive out of deep brakes but i cant really fly the arc because its so short. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #6 July 23, 2007 Look: even a NAvigator 220 can be swooped .You can learn lots of things on that canopy too: landing in rears, rears to toggle transition... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pendragon 1 #7 July 23, 2007 Yes, but you can still: - Get used to going from half-brakes to your front risers and back to the brakes without fumbling - Appreciate the increased speed of the landing - Begin devloping a sight-picture during a swoop - Making consistent turns etc etc Short recovery arc canopies require a greater degree of accuracy - but that is also true to lower-degree rotations - however, that also implies they dig out faster! You can still learn a lot... and such canopies will be more forgiving.-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mikki_ZH 0 #8 July 23, 2007 Quote I could show you some footage of some bad early crossfire swoops that could have hurt me real bad if you like? Here is mine... Sorry for the bad quality, but you will get an Idea... AUA!!! XF 129, WL 1.4, DZ approx 4500 ft above sea level, 2 years agoMichi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #9 July 23, 2007 so here is the deal about swooping a shorter recovery arc canopy thta I found... I worked on big carving turns...spending a lot of time in the dive... I worked on EASING out the fronts to go to rears/toggles to make the canopy not bust out of turn quickly if you drop the fronts you will recover quickly I worked on patterns and head on a swivel in a big way had some really nice two way swoops that I had no Idea that were going on until I was carving between parked planes to avoid it I worked on accuracy of swoops...we set up a cone lane so that we could all work on accuracy... and in the end on a sabre2 170 I was getting nice 100 foot to 150 foot swoops through a mini cone course......then I moved on and gat guess what a sabre 2 150 (did 60 jumps on that before I moved on to xfire2 129) Cheers man Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
dharma1976 0 #4 July 22, 2007 it was loaded at 1.2647058823529411 according to the wingload calculator.... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #5 July 23, 2007 I load my s2 170 at 1.2 and am doing front riser 90's. The recovery arc is really short. I start my dive out of deep brakes but i cant really fly the arc because its so short. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #6 July 23, 2007 Look: even a NAvigator 220 can be swooped .You can learn lots of things on that canopy too: landing in rears, rears to toggle transition... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #7 July 23, 2007 Yes, but you can still: - Get used to going from half-brakes to your front risers and back to the brakes without fumbling - Appreciate the increased speed of the landing - Begin devloping a sight-picture during a swoop - Making consistent turns etc etc Short recovery arc canopies require a greater degree of accuracy - but that is also true to lower-degree rotations - however, that also implies they dig out faster! You can still learn a lot... and such canopies will be more forgiving.-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #8 July 23, 2007 Quote I could show you some footage of some bad early crossfire swoops that could have hurt me real bad if you like? Here is mine... Sorry for the bad quality, but you will get an Idea... AUA!!! XF 129, WL 1.4, DZ approx 4500 ft above sea level, 2 years agoMichi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #9 July 23, 2007 so here is the deal about swooping a shorter recovery arc canopy thta I found... I worked on big carving turns...spending a lot of time in the dive... I worked on EASING out the fronts to go to rears/toggles to make the canopy not bust out of turn quickly if you drop the fronts you will recover quickly I worked on patterns and head on a swivel in a big way had some really nice two way swoops that I had no Idea that were going on until I was carving between parked planes to avoid it I worked on accuracy of swoops...we set up a cone lane so that we could all work on accuracy... and in the end on a sabre2 170 I was getting nice 100 foot to 150 foot swoops through a mini cone course......then I moved on and gat guess what a sabre 2 150 (did 60 jumps on that before I moved on to xfire2 129) Cheers man Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
