IMGR2 0 #1 March 21, 2007 Well we have been waiting long enough. I have spent the last couple years beating up Dan to build a competition canopy and here is our final product as well as a few early pics. I have a Skyworks RDS on it now and it works amazing. I don't have alot of jumps on it yet but I will help as much as I can to get more info out and see what we can do about getting some out to the public. I will be using this canopy for the Texas CPC competitions and if I do well enough hope to take it to Colorado. So if your in town during any of the Texas CPC meets feel free to give me a shout. Or you can just come out to Capitol Skydiving outside of Austin, I'm there most of the time. More pics will come soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #2 March 21, 2007 How does it compare to Onyx? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #3 March 21, 2007 Nice to see another HP canopy on the market. Choices are always good So, can you tell us a little about it please? Openings, riser (front and rear), etc, etc? Thanks. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMGR2 0 #4 March 21, 2007 There is absolutely no comparing to the Onyx. The Onyx performs a completely different role than the X-1. The Onyx we had hoped would crossover but didn't. It is used for very high wing loading applications and does it's job extraordinarily. The X-1 is completely designed for the swooper. The openings are what can be expected from a HP canopy. Some may be hard and some may be soft. With the stock slider I was getting on heading but slightly brisk openings much like I would get on my Xaos and Fx. Now with the Skyworks RDS slider my openings have been sweet as long as I pay attention to the clovering of the slider during packing. Once open I notice the canopy is very stable and solid. I am loading right at about 2.0 for the moment. Plan on bumping that up to 2.2 to 2.25 in the next few weeks. The front riser pressure is heavy but no heavier than I have experienced on any other HP canopies. Don't expect the light front riser pressure like you get from the Cobalts and Comp Cobalts. I have had great landings on both toggles and rear risers. The rear riser pressure is extremely easy to manage, not too heavy to pull and not too soft that if you put your weight on them they go too far. The X-1 slices through the air much cleaner than the Onyx, due from a much smaller profile top to bottom. The lineset IS longer than the Onyx linesets are, giving a better dive. The dive time and angle is different for everyones style. I am just now converting my approaches from full front riser dives to more of a body harness carve. The X-1 does like to stay in this type of carve and I find it much more efficient when coming out on rear risers. How's that for a beginning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #5 March 21, 2007 Nice start Brian. Can you give us some metrics on how you feel it compares, not only to the onyx (distance for example), but to other HP canopies too. The more info the better. I'm like a kid in a candy store with this stuff Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #6 March 21, 2007 Thank you for the info. Is there a demo program? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMGR2 0 #7 March 21, 2007 Damn Ian, now your gonna make me admit that I'm not a very good swooper. I havn't put the X-1 along side some of the competitors yet but I do know what I was doing last year in the CPC and the X-1 is consistently going about 100 feet further than what I was doing on my Onyx. That being said, I will definetly let you know how I do against some of the locals at the first CPC meet. In my own opinion I think it would be a very intimidating canopy in the hands of a Pro level swooper. Last week one of our pilots was taking this canopy over 300 ft consistently no matter the winds or other conditions and he was loading it under 2.0 as well. I havn't taken out a measure yet, just working on hitting gates at a good speed right now but I feel I am doing around 300's on a regular basis. And I'm sorry to say that there is not a demo program yet. We just unveiled the X-1 at PIA. But if you are seriously interested go ahead and pm me and I will put you in my database and I plan on making some dz travels with a few canopies later this summer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #8 March 21, 2007 QuoteDamn Ian, now your gonna make me admit that I'm not a very good swooper. Hahahaha, sorry Brian, but I'm sure that statement isn't true anyway! QuoteI havn't put the X-1 along side some of the competitors yet but I do know what I was doing last year in the CPC and the X-1 is consistently going about 100 feet further than what I was doing on my Onyx. That is a really promising. You sound enthusiastic about the canopy. Is there anything about it you don't really like? From your initial description the only thing that stuck out was the openings. Am I just misreading that they are a little erratic in hard/softness? QuoteThat being said, I will definetly let you know how I do against some of the locals at the first CPC meet. Can't wait to see how it does. Hope it treats you well and does well! QuoteLast week one of our pilots was taking this canopy over 300 ft consistently no matter the winds or other conditions and he was loading it under 2.0 as well. I havn't taken out a measure yet, just working on hitting gates at a good speed right now but I feel I am doing around 300's on a regular basis. Promising! Thanks for the info. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #9 March 21, 2007 I'll make sure i get some more pics of it too at the first meet. More than likely i will be the unofficial official photog this year as well. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #10 March 21, 2007 Thank you. Dan sometimes comes to the Ranch, so if you or him are ever there anytime this year and have a demo canopy in the 90-100+ sq ft size - i would love to make a test jump or two. But i am not in the market for a new canopy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #11 March 21, 2007 you can count on me bringing a 95 X-1 with me to the ranch as soon as the snow melts. Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #12 March 21, 2007 Excellent, Dan! If you're making it out on your own, not a planned demo/work related visit - post on the Ranch forum or let Sonic know that you're coming out, so that we can plan it - I am sure that a few more pilots would line up to try it. Also, could you guys comment on what looks like a distortion in the middle of the canopy during the flare (clearly visible on the first pic)? Thank you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #13 March 21, 2007 QuoteDamn Ian, now your gonna make me admit that I'm not a very good swooper. I havn't put the X-1 along side some of the competitors yet but I do know what I was doing last year in the CPC and the X-1 is consistently going about 100 feet further than what I was doing on my Onyx. That being said, I will definetly let you know how I do against some of the locals at the first CPC meet. In my own opinion I think it would be a very intimidating canopy in the hands of a Pro level swooper. Last week one of our pilots was taking this canopy over 300 ft consistently no matter the winds or other conditions and he was loading it under 2.0 as well. I havn't taken out a measure yet, just working on hitting gates at a good speed right now but I feel I am doing around 300's on a regular basis. And I'm sorry to say that there is not a demo program yet. We just unveiled the X-1 at PIA. But if you are seriously interested go ahead and pm me and I will put you in my database and I plan on making some dz travels with a few canopies later this summer. what size is it? will you send it to me to try? I will swap you my JVX, let you try it while I try out your x-1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DirtBagSwooper 0 #14 March 22, 2007 QuoteMore than likely i will be the unofficial official photog this year as well. Sure, pictures are fun, but you really should be competing.Once you have tasted flight, you'll wonder why it tastes like fart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cobaltdan 0 #15 March 22, 2007 QuoteExcellent, Dan! If you're making it out on your own, not a planned demo/work related visit - post on the Ranch forum or let Sonic know that you're coming out, so that we can plan it - I am sure that a few more pilots would line up to try it. Also, could you guys comment on what looks like a distortion in the middle of the canopy during the flare (clearly visible on the first pic)? Thank you will, do. as to the posted pic. im not seeing what you are referring to. i can tell you from all the high res pics and data we have the X-1 canopy shape is super clean, wrinkle and distortion free.Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #16 March 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteMore than likely i will be the unofficial official photog this year as well. Sure, pictures are fun, but you really should be competing. You have obviously never seen me fly. And since you load a velo over 5:1 you should really be competing also. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites frost 1 #17 March 22, 2007 The pic is too small to edit it to highlight what i am talking about. I am referring to the dip in the top skin in the middle, right between the diamonds. May be just an optical illusion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #18 March 22, 2007 That could be from teh bag and pilot chute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cobaltdan 0 #19 March 23, 2007 I think what you are referring to is the slight flattening of a canopy's arc when loosening the chest strap and spreading risers. a high res image of the X-1 wing is attached. Its gorgeous.Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Canuck 0 #20 March 23, 2007 Line type? Aspect ratio? Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cobaltdan 0 #21 March 23, 2007 QuoteLine type? Aspect ratio? Canuck 2.8 AR vectran or black technoraDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Canuck 0 #22 March 23, 2007 Quote vectran or black technora That's good to hear. It never made sense to me that the Onyx had spectra lines. Is the technora the skinny stuff? Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shogo 0 #23 March 23, 2007 What are the lines/tapes running from the ends of the center cell to the apexes of black diamonds? I am sure they are running passed the diamonds, but looks new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shogo 0 #24 March 23, 2007 I also see what you are seeing, the dip in the center cell. (first pic only) I have seen some thing like that (bent in the middle chordwise) on almost all x-braced canopy still pictures. Never this symmetrical though. It is a still picture, so it probably is a momentarily kinda thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cobaltdan 0 #25 March 30, 2007 QuoteWhat are the lines/tapes running from the ends of the center cell to the apexes of black diamonds? I am sure they are running passed the diamonds, but looks new. the diamonds are not appliqué they are structural. as such the diagonal seams extent from nose to tail. the x-1 has the <><> both top and bottom skin. -dDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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DirtBagSwooper 0 #14 March 22, 2007 QuoteMore than likely i will be the unofficial official photog this year as well. Sure, pictures are fun, but you really should be competing.Once you have tasted flight, you'll wonder why it tastes like fart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #15 March 22, 2007 QuoteExcellent, Dan! If you're making it out on your own, not a planned demo/work related visit - post on the Ranch forum or let Sonic know that you're coming out, so that we can plan it - I am sure that a few more pilots would line up to try it. Also, could you guys comment on what looks like a distortion in the middle of the canopy during the flare (clearly visible on the first pic)? Thank you will, do. as to the posted pic. im not seeing what you are referring to. i can tell you from all the high res pics and data we have the X-1 canopy shape is super clean, wrinkle and distortion free.Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #16 March 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteMore than likely i will be the unofficial official photog this year as well. Sure, pictures are fun, but you really should be competing. You have obviously never seen me fly. And since you load a velo over 5:1 you should really be competing also. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #17 March 22, 2007 The pic is too small to edit it to highlight what i am talking about. I am referring to the dip in the top skin in the middle, right between the diamonds. May be just an optical illusion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #18 March 22, 2007 That could be from teh bag and pilot chute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #19 March 23, 2007 I think what you are referring to is the slight flattening of a canopy's arc when loosening the chest strap and spreading risers. a high res image of the X-1 wing is attached. Its gorgeous.Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #20 March 23, 2007 Line type? Aspect ratio? Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #21 March 23, 2007 QuoteLine type? Aspect ratio? Canuck 2.8 AR vectran or black technoraDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #22 March 23, 2007 Quote vectran or black technora That's good to hear. It never made sense to me that the Onyx had spectra lines. Is the technora the skinny stuff? Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shogo 0 #23 March 23, 2007 What are the lines/tapes running from the ends of the center cell to the apexes of black diamonds? I am sure they are running passed the diamonds, but looks new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shogo 0 #24 March 23, 2007 I also see what you are seeing, the dip in the center cell. (first pic only) I have seen some thing like that (bent in the middle chordwise) on almost all x-braced canopy still pictures. Never this symmetrical though. It is a still picture, so it probably is a momentarily kinda thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #25 March 30, 2007 QuoteWhat are the lines/tapes running from the ends of the center cell to the apexes of black diamonds? I am sure they are running passed the diamonds, but looks new. the diamonds are not appliqué they are structural. as such the diagonal seams extent from nose to tail. the x-1 has the <><> both top and bottom skin. -dDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
