if i have a great dive and level out at 20ft

[airborne82nd 0]

just a newbie swoop questionif i do my 180 dive and get good speed but plane out at 20 ft should as i?????

as i know i am planing out too high should i get on double front risers before i plane out to keep the dive a little more??

or should i do a slight harness input as in germains book to keep the dive alive a bit more??

i havent tried either yet since i dont understand the mechanics of it and i am afraid of getting hurt.

what i have been doing when i plane out at 20 ft i just look like an idiot wait for the canopy to drive forward again and land and look like a fool.

i have no problem when i come in and have to rear riser up or toggle up to plane out its when i plane out 10 or 20 ft too high

i plane out too high half the time the other times i have to touch rears or toggles a bit. of course i have a few digs but not many. i have a consistant 350 ft dive.

i dont want to over rotate past 180 thats beyond my skill level.

any help i am sure this is an infant swooper problem.

thanks

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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what i have been doing when i plane out at 20 ft i just look like an idiot wait for the canopy to drive forward again and land and look like a fool.

Dude you'll look like even more of an idiot if you're constantly in the corner. Let the canopy fly, flare when you're closer to the ground and get back up there and make another jump. One of the hardest things I found while learning to swoop (BTW I am still learning) is when to get off of the risers. In time your spider senses will slowly become more in tune and your consistency will improve. Experienced swoopers who are willing to help you will know this amd is all part of the learning curve. I will never tell anyone that I think they look like an idiot if they've come out high.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[airborne82nd 0]

spidey sences and consitancy, will be my new jump anthems.

i just thought there was something i can do whn i relize i am going to plane out of the dive high.

i dont know but i am rarley in the corner or burried maybe its my lack of agressivnes.

yeah i cant wait till my swoop sences develop and my eyes feel the dive and i can imporve my speed and swoop effienceincy

thank you for the advice

[dharma1976 0]

I did this last week when I got to florida and forgot there was a 400 ft difference lower from my ome dropzone and started my turn at the same height

(turns out the turn was about 100 ft lower for me)

is what it is we learn to adjust more in the turn

time is all it takes

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[AggieDave 6]

I would ask you two questions. How are you releasing your front riser at the end of your turn? Are you easing off the front riser or letting the riser snap up? Also what are you doing with your feet? Do you have your feet straight down and sort of like Gumby? (the flying X) Or do you have your legs tucked up for speed?

Depending on how you're doing your turn, those two things in conjunction can make the difference in 20ft. Atleast I found it did on my XF2 and I've found that it makes an even larger difference on my Velo.

Eitherway its better to be 20ft high then 20ft low, both gets you a 0 in competition.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[yardhippie 0]

I'll try an help a little.

Ive been working with Ian and some others since I came to ATL in 05. I am understanding that the speed of your rotation has as much to do with your plane out altitude as your initiation altitude.

With all the discussion of landing patters going on now, I dont want to start that up here, but you asked about using the harness to keep it in the dive.
Well that would continue your rotation. So, if you are performing a 180, maybe you end up at 200. This could potentially put you on a collision course with another pilot assuming all should be landing parallel with your 180 flight path. The opposite side of that coin is stopping your rotation early because you are low. Do you have an out should you only be able to make a 100 or 150 degree turn?

Dont worry if your high sometimes. Trust me Ive flow 20' over the heads of a few of the respected swoopers on here. They might laugh at ya, but then they'll asky you what you did wrong, and discuss what to do next time. Ive learned that im gonna get a bit of joking and goofing around if im high in a turn, but its a different kind of feeling when you smack the earth.

Sometimes even with the best responders to valid questions may have a difficult time describing maneuvers or concepts over a forum. These are some things that have worked for me:

Talk to competent pilots who have seen you fly. Listen to what they have to say.
Work on one thing at a time, for example: when Im on final here, I should finish my turn on this line.
Patience: it really is a virtue.
If you get frustrated, go do something else. if your mind isn't 100%. go do something else.
If youre tired, go do something else. See above.


Oh, and just another question. Can you perform A 90 to final and be consistant with accuracy and plane out?

Safe swoops.

Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD
"What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me
"Anything you want." ~ female skydiver
Mohoso Rodriguez #865

[airborne82nd 0]

ahhgg ya my feet are mostly straight and not tucked up like a 6ft gumby damn it and i try to let off my riser smooth i may be letting it go a little fast as i am concentrating on my plane out.

thanks for the correction you must have a video of me.

[AggieDave 6]

Don't worry man, its something that everyone has to work to get through. I'm still working on my body position, trying to break the habit of having my legs down, but then getting myself to put my legs down to hit the gates...

The more I learn, the more complicated it gets. The more fun it gets too.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[airborne82nd 0]

yes 90's seem easy, and i have outs from 90 to 220 mostly sometimes i have 90 to 240 depending on winds.

yes i dont want to over rotate and i always stick to my plan set up or if the winds change or something or traffic i just land.

thanks for the advice i will apply asap.

no there are no compitent swoopers at my dz, there are 3 guys who are ok but not one has a method and only 2 are consistant and they are flying older outdated non crossbraced canopys.

perhaps ill visit one of the 6 dropzones in floirda in this area to do some more coaching.

thanks i can only work on one thing at a time its either walking or chewing gum not both. i am patient i have no chice to be i have no skills.

where i sat fly in 50 jumps and 1 hour of tunnel time and i dont want to talkk about back flying other do it in half the time but i am just as good as them and better then others, i do ok it takes me time to do anything.

what about if i let off oin the front riser easy and as i and before i plane out i pull easy on both front risers which wouldnt be easy to do since i have all that speed or is that a dumb move??

i have seen people do it but i dont want to till i understand what happens to my flight if i do.

i will work on timing of course.

thanks for the help

[Spizzzarko 0]

Dude,

You have come into this forum here and stirred up the hornets nest in your quest for knowledge. That is the problem with internet communication, because you cannot read body language. Some of the dissension you are receiving is from some people who are anxious to criticize, and some of it you bring upon yourself by coming across as being argumentative. Either way I really do not care. I am going to give you my two cents on this swooping thing whether you like it or not. You can take it for what it is worth, but realize that I am not trying to steer you wrong. Many of the other dudes here in this forum are not trying to steer you wrong either, but you have to realize that each and every one of us have a slightly different method of conveying our knowledge.

Ian is a little softer spoken but he knows what he is talking about. Davelepka (whom I have never met in person) is a little more direct about things, but he is pretty much spot on. Shimell... Well, all we can say about shimell is that, he is just shimell. He is a good swooper though. JP does not post much here but he is a smart dude who knows his stuff and is a really nice guy to be around. The thing I like about JP is that he has a tendency to point out the other side of the argument. Sometimes we are so wrapped up discussing one technique that we forget that there are other methods. Aggiedave is good at that too. Aggie is getting good and has learned quite a bit in the past couple of seasons, so his advice may contain some newer ideas. This is not bad but just a different way to achieve the same effect. Remember, what method I use may not be the same method that you find effective. Enough of that bush-league psyche out bullshit...

If you are having trouble getting your canopy down then you may want to slow your turn rate a little. Please be careful.

[airborne82nd 0]

loved it all and thanks.

i loved everything but the hornets nest.

unfortunatly i am the one who gets stung first and nonone likes it when i sting back. i mearly putting my two cents in

plus i am 100% on the level and 100% intilectually honest i have no bias i dont atack anyone i mearly try to share my limited knowledge or debate a point or argue a concept and the hornets come out and go stinging, and when i stick up for my self and sting back they dont like it and go cry to a moderator.

if people would keep it level and professional and not atack others for their point of view you would never here a foul word from me.

i mostly read these forums till some ass throws in some bs.

thanks for the post long and appreciated i read every single word dont think its too long.

[Spizzzarko 0]

That part wasn't really meant as an barb, but more as a general observation about the overall mood here on Dropzone.com. You have to understand that 99% of what people bring up here has been thoughorly hashed out before in the past.

Sometimes the people responding to questions or inquiries get pissed off a little because what they see as inherent knowledge is not aparent to some of the newer posters. So they end up repeating themselves week after week and it gets old really quick.

Other times people come on and just argue because they made some stupid remark like they are downsizing to a 107 stilletto at 70 jumps, and they fee they have to defend them selves. Other people just keep posting because they feel they need to have the last word.

Canopypiloting.com is a pretty good site. It is a little slow, but you don't get the drama like you get here. Lord Slaton has some good advise even though he is a little cryptic from time to time. That site is more of a sharring site than an arguing site.

I going to build a site for skydiving shit talking called swoophaters.com and the only rule will be that you have to trash talk a little in each post. I'm sure it will be popular with the crowd here hahahaaa. I will have a forum where I will take each picture from the Post your Hot swoop pics" thread on here and just talk shit about everyone pics. It will be called "post your gay swoop attemps pics" and we will trash talk all of the pics.

[dharma1976 0]

I will help you build the swoophaters.com site spizzy

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[Spizzzarko 0]

I knew I could count on you!

Stay Mooth!

[dharma1976 0]

of course I will be setting up my brand spanking new RDS this weekend....

yay new toys to try out...

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[dploi 0]

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just a newbie swoop questionif i do my 180 dive and get good speed but plane out at 20 ft should as i?????

as i know i am planing out too high should i get on double front risers before i plane out to keep the dive a little more??

You should try to do better on your next jump. If you planed out high on this one, then just accept that you planed out high on this one, and land straight in.

[dharma1976 0]

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just a newbie swoop questionif i do my 180 dive and get good speed but plane out at 20 ft should as i?????

as i know i am planing out too high should i get on double front risers before i plane out to keep the dive a little more??

You should try to do better on your next jump. If you planed out high on this one, then just accept that you planed out high on this one, and land straight in.

man I wish I could get away again before sring...

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.