ntacfreefly 0 #1 September 22, 2006 Where'd it go. Wtf, over? To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #2 September 22, 2006 Seconded... It's definitely been deleted (a search shows it as being in the Recycle Bin). Not sure what would've caused the whole thing to go, rather than just having post(s) deleted or being locked. Didn't seem like there was any state secrets there. Curious Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #3 September 22, 2006 seems to be some serious politics going on. it did seem to become a jvx thread. maybe somebody didn't like that? I'm Getting one...."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #4 September 22, 2006 or maybe people are tired of people getting thier panties in a bunch over swooping I swoop for me anyone else Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #5 September 22, 2006 I ditched the thread. I am going to go back through it and cut out all the ads, cross-posting from Jim's site and other stuff and will then put it back up. Feel free to discuss gear in gear and rigging and feel free to defend your friends in bonfire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ntacfreefly 0 #6 September 22, 2006 Quotefree to defend your friends in bonfire Chuck, not sure what you mean by that. I don't think anyone was defending (or attacking for that matter) anyone else. The addition of a new FT is exciting, regardless of the manufacturer. Yeah sure there were some people moving from one canopy type to another and a few questions surrounding that but I didn't think they were the focus of the thread, or even handled badly for that matter. Regardless, you're a mod so it's your call. Blues. IanTo the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #7 September 22, 2006 Listen everybody, Jim Slaton is a friend of mine. That said, he got his (and his staff's) username on this site disabled because he simply would not refrain from blatantly advertising his products and services on this forum. I do not make the rules here, but I have been charged with enforcing them since the very inception of this forum. Feel free to discuss any canopy control and swooping topic you want to here, but please refrain from cutting and pasting stuff from Jim's site and sticking it here. If Jim would have been a better member of this community in the first place he would have simply answered questions as they were presented here. LIke I have said many times before, there are PLENTY of professional canopy pilots on this forum who DO take the time to write out educated answers. If you want a question answered in a timely manner then ask it here. Want to wait a week? Ask over there. It's not going to hurt my feelings one way or another. What I will continue to do here on my end is try to keep the "noise" to a minimum. It HAS gotten a little too loose in here over the past year or so. It was never the intent of the owner of this site (Sangiro) that this be "bonfire for swoopers." I have made repeated attempts to get some of you (not talking to you, Ian) to cut it out with the one-liners. I have also done my best to keep the nonsense responses from unqualified/underqualified canopy pilots out of the serious thread; it's a full time job. So, ultimately, if you want less bullshit in this forum, then stop posting bullshit. Jim does not allow such stuff in his forum at all, but then again he gets no traffic on his site. Also, those of you super-qualified guys out there lurking could really make my life easier by posting to the serious, information-needed threads. Please do us all a favor and sound off! It will make my life a lot easier and take away some of the grief I keep hearing people bitch about that "this site is just full of 100-jump wonders giving bad advice." Be a part of the solution, not the problem. Now, back to the topic of the thread. I think it's great that Jim is putting together another competition team. One thing I do have to say about what was cut and pasted from his response from his site is this: I really don't understand Jim calling his demonstration group the "world parabatic team." Unless Jason Peters and his guys are involved, or Charles Bryan and the RedBull guys who used to do it all the time, or Lyle and the guys he is putting together all have fought it out, then the "world" moniker just makes me giggle. That's just me though. Sincerely, Chuck Blue, your unpaid moderator -freely giving valid, educated advice on this forum since it's inception. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #8 September 23, 2006 Quote-freely giving valid, educated advice on this forum since it's inception. And before - in summer 2001 Chuck gave me plenty advice regarding main selection and canopy control. I wasn't buying one of his sponsor's canopies (never have from either) but the dude helped me out anyway. I'm a cunt but Chuck is one sound monkey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hparrish 0 #9 September 24, 2006 QuoteListen everybody, Jim Slaton is a friend of mine. That said, he got his (and his staff's) username on this site disabled because he simply would not refrain from blatantly advertising his products and services on this forum. I do not make the rules here, but I have been charged with enforcing them since the very inception of this forum. Quote Oh Come on Chuck...... Jim wasn' t on here pasting links to his website or pushing his canopy. Allot of JVX Pilots were doing that on there own. I'm starting to get the feeling that folks don't want anyone talking about the JVX on Dropzone.com. Heck I couldn't even find it listed as a canopy in the classifieds section. I think you'll have allot of PD Threads to delete if you don't want folks posting links. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #10 September 24, 2006 QuoteOh Come on Chuck...... You may want to do a search for Jim's username and read some of his posts before you speak further. This site forgets very little. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #11 September 24, 2006 Thanks for the explanation Chuck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #12 September 25, 2006 A lot of the smaller production canopies are not listed in the classifieds or the review section on here. For example the Jedei is not in the list either because the number of canopies for sale is not worth the effort to make database changes to add it when there is the option to leave it blank and freeform enter in your own option. There are dozens of designs that are sold on a small enough scale that its not worth the time to alter the site to support the 0-1 that are for sale at any one point. Here is a link to all the posts that the username was linked to: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dsearch_results%3Bsearch_forum%3Dall%3Bsearch_user_username%3DSlatonAirSports%3Bmh%3D25=Show+user%27s+posts Most are direct advertisements for events or his training sessions.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites raymod2 1 #13 September 25, 2006 I've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. You can't even choose it as your main canopy in your user profile (it's not an option). I asked the mods to add it a month ago and it still hasn't happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #14 September 25, 2006 The Mods don't control anything outside the fourm postings. Sangiro is the only person that can make those modifications and he's been in the UK and the Crotia for the last few weeks on work travels. Just remember shy of Sangiro everyone else involved is offering up their time and energy for free on this site. You can't add the Jedei in your profile either and over 500 of them were made and sold. The NEOS isn't in the list either. It takes time and energy to make those changes to the databases on here and I'm sure there are higher things on the priority list since you can still manually type in anything you want in as a canopy as a workaround. Any "hostility" towards the JVX is probally imagined by those that think they see it. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #15 September 25, 2006 QuoteI've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. Yeah! When I started posting here in 2001, my Contour harness wasn't listed and STILL isn't, and nor was my Jonathan main! The horror! So what I did was go out and buy 2 mirages, and mains from PD and Icarus. THAT taught them a lesson, and so they made me a moderator in this forum! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ntacfreefly 0 #16 September 25, 2006 QuoteJonathan main Traitor - real south african's fly Pintails To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #17 September 26, 2006 Quote Traitor - real south african's fly Pintails I did jump one. Had my 1st chop on one too.. but then the 90's rolled around and brought better canopies... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #18 September 26, 2006 QuoteI've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. I can promise you that neither myself nor Tonto have any "hostility" toward JVX's. I personally think it's a nice, task-specific canopy. I won't be spending three grand on one anytime soon (I am very happy with my current canopies), but if that's what you like then go for it. The people with their panties in a wad are the ones who DO go out of their way to say "this is the best and you are jumping old, outdated stuff". That's simply childish. I don't think that any of the guys who are capable of skillfully piloting competition mains in their intended manner are suffering from "gear envy" over this. How about letting everyone make their own, informed decision on what they want to jump instead of having people force it down everyones' throat? Chuck PS: I am going to bring parts of the old Team Extreme thread back today. It will be split into two parts: the inevitable "JVX rules" part, and the "Stu is with PD now" part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bak_peter 0 #19 September 27, 2006 Chuck, When I look at your user profile, it says that your are sponsored by PD. Quote from your user profile: Interests: "I would like to occupy this space by thanking my sponsors for their great support: Performance Designs (Velocity and Sabre2 mains, PD 106 reserves) ......" It sounds a little bit funny to me when you say that you are impartial between PD and the JVX (the Icarus Deadelus Projekt) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #20 September 27, 2006 wow, I would think that Chuck would be partial to getting free stuff and would get that from anyone that gave it to him I am sure that if suddenly Daedalus gave chuck free JVX's he would take them and thank them for it...I am sure at that point he wouldnt go forth and remove Velocities from the choices on the website... so basically you guys are starting to act like the Alien Conspiracy People about the JVX getting knocked.... Relax we are all here to swoop and have fun...(and adding a canopy to the choices across the site would be a nightmare I know that for a fact) Dhttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #21 September 27, 2006 Do you honestly think that his sponsorship status has any bearing on his duties as a moderator in the forum? I don't really know the dude, but it seems to me that he probably has more integrity than to start a brand war here on DZ.com. This thread was getting to be a little bull shit any ways if you ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #22 September 27, 2006 The fact that I got sponsored by PD in 2003 (and have not recieved any support since then) has no bearing whatsoever on what I post and how I moderate this forum. I get the exact same crap in the wingsuit forum due to my relationship with BirdMan. PD was not my first canopy sponsor, but you never saw me talking smack about them when I had that other sponsor (Atair). I challenge you to show me one single post made by me where I had anything critical to say about Daedalus canopies. On the contrary, I have made plenty of posts where I said that I liked the design. It's simply not my style and it's counter to my duties as a moderator to choose sides in an internet "brand war". Jump what you like, bro, but please stop it with the conspiracy theory talk. By the way, my Velo was built in 1999 and I am still totally happy with it's performance. As I am positive I will be paying full-price for my replacement canopy (I am old and haven't competed lately, so I am out of favor sponsor-wise), I can tell you that it's going to be another Velo 84 with 340 Technora (by MEL). You guys jump what you want and I will stick with what I like. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #23 September 27, 2006 QuoteI am old and haven't competed lately, so I am out of favor sponsor-wise If I'm not mistake you are about one month or so older than I am and it would be nice to see a fellow old'ie out there ripping it up next season. Let's show some of these young guys than age isn't the biggest factor in this sport. Of course competitive swooping is a contact sport and contact sports are harder on the old body sometimes (hockey season is set to start soon). Dang I kind of wish I was born a couple of decades later than what I was, since young guns like Stu and Nick (as well as others of course) have many many moons to continue ripping up their respective swoop ponds. The best has yet to come ... probably from some young guy (or girl) who's not even in the sport yet. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #24 September 28, 2006 Quote I can tell you that it's going to be another Velo 84 with 340 Technora (by MEL). wanna try mine before you buy one? for those of who who think chuck is biased in any way, think again. the JVX is a bad ass canopy, the velo lined with HMA is also, I feel the JVX still has a "slight" advantage, but the velo just needs a few tweaks. my question is, are those tweaks going to be enough? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #25 September 28, 2006 QuoteThis thread was getting to be a little bull shit any ways if you ask me. I second that. Hey chuck, how about you put the old one back on minus the ads and we can discuss what the title suggests! and if anyone wants to take this thread any further...then start a new one called 'chuck really wants a JVX but won't admit it' just kidding chuck!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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rhys 0 #3 September 22, 2006 seems to be some serious politics going on. it did seem to become a jvx thread. maybe somebody didn't like that? I'm Getting one...."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #4 September 22, 2006 or maybe people are tired of people getting thier panties in a bunch over swooping I swoop for me anyone else Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #5 September 22, 2006 I ditched the thread. I am going to go back through it and cut out all the ads, cross-posting from Jim's site and other stuff and will then put it back up. Feel free to discuss gear in gear and rigging and feel free to defend your friends in bonfire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #6 September 22, 2006 Quotefree to defend your friends in bonfire Chuck, not sure what you mean by that. I don't think anyone was defending (or attacking for that matter) anyone else. The addition of a new FT is exciting, regardless of the manufacturer. Yeah sure there were some people moving from one canopy type to another and a few questions surrounding that but I didn't think they were the focus of the thread, or even handled badly for that matter. Regardless, you're a mod so it's your call. Blues. IanTo the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #7 September 22, 2006 Listen everybody, Jim Slaton is a friend of mine. That said, he got his (and his staff's) username on this site disabled because he simply would not refrain from blatantly advertising his products and services on this forum. I do not make the rules here, but I have been charged with enforcing them since the very inception of this forum. Feel free to discuss any canopy control and swooping topic you want to here, but please refrain from cutting and pasting stuff from Jim's site and sticking it here. If Jim would have been a better member of this community in the first place he would have simply answered questions as they were presented here. LIke I have said many times before, there are PLENTY of professional canopy pilots on this forum who DO take the time to write out educated answers. If you want a question answered in a timely manner then ask it here. Want to wait a week? Ask over there. It's not going to hurt my feelings one way or another. What I will continue to do here on my end is try to keep the "noise" to a minimum. It HAS gotten a little too loose in here over the past year or so. It was never the intent of the owner of this site (Sangiro) that this be "bonfire for swoopers." I have made repeated attempts to get some of you (not talking to you, Ian) to cut it out with the one-liners. I have also done my best to keep the nonsense responses from unqualified/underqualified canopy pilots out of the serious thread; it's a full time job. So, ultimately, if you want less bullshit in this forum, then stop posting bullshit. Jim does not allow such stuff in his forum at all, but then again he gets no traffic on his site. Also, those of you super-qualified guys out there lurking could really make my life easier by posting to the serious, information-needed threads. Please do us all a favor and sound off! It will make my life a lot easier and take away some of the grief I keep hearing people bitch about that "this site is just full of 100-jump wonders giving bad advice." Be a part of the solution, not the problem. Now, back to the topic of the thread. I think it's great that Jim is putting together another competition team. One thing I do have to say about what was cut and pasted from his response from his site is this: I really don't understand Jim calling his demonstration group the "world parabatic team." Unless Jason Peters and his guys are involved, or Charles Bryan and the RedBull guys who used to do it all the time, or Lyle and the guys he is putting together all have fought it out, then the "world" moniker just makes me giggle. That's just me though. Sincerely, Chuck Blue, your unpaid moderator -freely giving valid, educated advice on this forum since it's inception. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #8 September 23, 2006 Quote-freely giving valid, educated advice on this forum since it's inception. And before - in summer 2001 Chuck gave me plenty advice regarding main selection and canopy control. I wasn't buying one of his sponsor's canopies (never have from either) but the dude helped me out anyway. I'm a cunt but Chuck is one sound monkey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hparrish 0 #9 September 24, 2006 QuoteListen everybody, Jim Slaton is a friend of mine. That said, he got his (and his staff's) username on this site disabled because he simply would not refrain from blatantly advertising his products and services on this forum. I do not make the rules here, but I have been charged with enforcing them since the very inception of this forum. Quote Oh Come on Chuck...... Jim wasn' t on here pasting links to his website or pushing his canopy. Allot of JVX Pilots were doing that on there own. I'm starting to get the feeling that folks don't want anyone talking about the JVX on Dropzone.com. Heck I couldn't even find it listed as a canopy in the classifieds section. I think you'll have allot of PD Threads to delete if you don't want folks posting links. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #10 September 24, 2006 QuoteOh Come on Chuck...... You may want to do a search for Jim's username and read some of his posts before you speak further. This site forgets very little. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #11 September 24, 2006 Thanks for the explanation Chuck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #12 September 25, 2006 A lot of the smaller production canopies are not listed in the classifieds or the review section on here. For example the Jedei is not in the list either because the number of canopies for sale is not worth the effort to make database changes to add it when there is the option to leave it blank and freeform enter in your own option. There are dozens of designs that are sold on a small enough scale that its not worth the time to alter the site to support the 0-1 that are for sale at any one point. Here is a link to all the posts that the username was linked to: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dsearch_results%3Bsearch_forum%3Dall%3Bsearch_user_username%3DSlatonAirSports%3Bmh%3D25=Show+user%27s+posts Most are direct advertisements for events or his training sessions.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites raymod2 1 #13 September 25, 2006 I've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. You can't even choose it as your main canopy in your user profile (it's not an option). I asked the mods to add it a month ago and it still hasn't happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #14 September 25, 2006 The Mods don't control anything outside the fourm postings. Sangiro is the only person that can make those modifications and he's been in the UK and the Crotia for the last few weeks on work travels. Just remember shy of Sangiro everyone else involved is offering up their time and energy for free on this site. You can't add the Jedei in your profile either and over 500 of them were made and sold. The NEOS isn't in the list either. It takes time and energy to make those changes to the databases on here and I'm sure there are higher things on the priority list since you can still manually type in anything you want in as a canopy as a workaround. Any "hostility" towards the JVX is probally imagined by those that think they see it. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #15 September 25, 2006 QuoteI've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. Yeah! When I started posting here in 2001, my Contour harness wasn't listed and STILL isn't, and nor was my Jonathan main! The horror! So what I did was go out and buy 2 mirages, and mains from PD and Icarus. THAT taught them a lesson, and so they made me a moderator in this forum! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ntacfreefly 0 #16 September 25, 2006 QuoteJonathan main Traitor - real south african's fly Pintails To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #17 September 26, 2006 Quote Traitor - real south african's fly Pintails I did jump one. Had my 1st chop on one too.. but then the 90's rolled around and brought better canopies... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #18 September 26, 2006 QuoteI've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. I can promise you that neither myself nor Tonto have any "hostility" toward JVX's. I personally think it's a nice, task-specific canopy. I won't be spending three grand on one anytime soon (I am very happy with my current canopies), but if that's what you like then go for it. The people with their panties in a wad are the ones who DO go out of their way to say "this is the best and you are jumping old, outdated stuff". That's simply childish. I don't think that any of the guys who are capable of skillfully piloting competition mains in their intended manner are suffering from "gear envy" over this. How about letting everyone make their own, informed decision on what they want to jump instead of having people force it down everyones' throat? Chuck PS: I am going to bring parts of the old Team Extreme thread back today. It will be split into two parts: the inevitable "JVX rules" part, and the "Stu is with PD now" part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bak_peter 0 #19 September 27, 2006 Chuck, When I look at your user profile, it says that your are sponsored by PD. Quote from your user profile: Interests: "I would like to occupy this space by thanking my sponsors for their great support: Performance Designs (Velocity and Sabre2 mains, PD 106 reserves) ......" It sounds a little bit funny to me when you say that you are impartial between PD and the JVX (the Icarus Deadelus Projekt) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #20 September 27, 2006 wow, I would think that Chuck would be partial to getting free stuff and would get that from anyone that gave it to him I am sure that if suddenly Daedalus gave chuck free JVX's he would take them and thank them for it...I am sure at that point he wouldnt go forth and remove Velocities from the choices on the website... so basically you guys are starting to act like the Alien Conspiracy People about the JVX getting knocked.... Relax we are all here to swoop and have fun...(and adding a canopy to the choices across the site would be a nightmare I know that for a fact) Dhttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #21 September 27, 2006 Do you honestly think that his sponsorship status has any bearing on his duties as a moderator in the forum? I don't really know the dude, but it seems to me that he probably has more integrity than to start a brand war here on DZ.com. This thread was getting to be a little bull shit any ways if you ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #22 September 27, 2006 The fact that I got sponsored by PD in 2003 (and have not recieved any support since then) has no bearing whatsoever on what I post and how I moderate this forum. I get the exact same crap in the wingsuit forum due to my relationship with BirdMan. PD was not my first canopy sponsor, but you never saw me talking smack about them when I had that other sponsor (Atair). I challenge you to show me one single post made by me where I had anything critical to say about Daedalus canopies. On the contrary, I have made plenty of posts where I said that I liked the design. It's simply not my style and it's counter to my duties as a moderator to choose sides in an internet "brand war". Jump what you like, bro, but please stop it with the conspiracy theory talk. By the way, my Velo was built in 1999 and I am still totally happy with it's performance. As I am positive I will be paying full-price for my replacement canopy (I am old and haven't competed lately, so I am out of favor sponsor-wise), I can tell you that it's going to be another Velo 84 with 340 Technora (by MEL). You guys jump what you want and I will stick with what I like. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #23 September 27, 2006 QuoteI am old and haven't competed lately, so I am out of favor sponsor-wise If I'm not mistake you are about one month or so older than I am and it would be nice to see a fellow old'ie out there ripping it up next season. Let's show some of these young guys than age isn't the biggest factor in this sport. Of course competitive swooping is a contact sport and contact sports are harder on the old body sometimes (hockey season is set to start soon). Dang I kind of wish I was born a couple of decades later than what I was, since young guns like Stu and Nick (as well as others of course) have many many moons to continue ripping up their respective swoop ponds. The best has yet to come ... probably from some young guy (or girl) who's not even in the sport yet. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #24 September 28, 2006 Quote I can tell you that it's going to be another Velo 84 with 340 Technora (by MEL). wanna try mine before you buy one? for those of who who think chuck is biased in any way, think again. the JVX is a bad ass canopy, the velo lined with HMA is also, I feel the JVX still has a "slight" advantage, but the velo just needs a few tweaks. my question is, are those tweaks going to be enough? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #25 September 28, 2006 QuoteThis thread was getting to be a little bull shit any ways if you ask me. I second that. Hey chuck, how about you put the old one back on minus the ads and we can discuss what the title suggests! and if anyone wants to take this thread any further...then start a new one called 'chuck really wants a JVX but won't admit it' just kidding chuck!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Tonto 1 #10 September 24, 2006 QuoteOh Come on Chuck...... You may want to do a search for Jim's username and read some of his posts before you speak further. This site forgets very little. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #11 September 24, 2006 Thanks for the explanation Chuck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 September 25, 2006 A lot of the smaller production canopies are not listed in the classifieds or the review section on here. For example the Jedei is not in the list either because the number of canopies for sale is not worth the effort to make database changes to add it when there is the option to leave it blank and freeform enter in your own option. There are dozens of designs that are sold on a small enough scale that its not worth the time to alter the site to support the 0-1 that are for sale at any one point. Here is a link to all the posts that the username was linked to: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dsearch_results%3Bsearch_forum%3Dall%3Bsearch_user_username%3DSlatonAirSports%3Bmh%3D25=Show+user%27s+posts Most are direct advertisements for events or his training sessions.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #13 September 25, 2006 I've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. You can't even choose it as your main canopy in your user profile (it's not an option). I asked the mods to add it a month ago and it still hasn't happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 September 25, 2006 The Mods don't control anything outside the fourm postings. Sangiro is the only person that can make those modifications and he's been in the UK and the Crotia for the last few weeks on work travels. Just remember shy of Sangiro everyone else involved is offering up their time and energy for free on this site. You can't add the Jedei in your profile either and over 500 of them were made and sold. The NEOS isn't in the list either. It takes time and energy to make those changes to the databases on here and I'm sure there are higher things on the priority list since you can still manually type in anything you want in as a canopy as a workaround. Any "hostility" towards the JVX is probally imagined by those that think they see it. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #15 September 25, 2006 QuoteI've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. Yeah! When I started posting here in 2001, my Contour harness wasn't listed and STILL isn't, and nor was my Jonathan main! The horror! So what I did was go out and buy 2 mirages, and mains from PD and Icarus. THAT taught them a lesson, and so they made me a moderator in this forum! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #16 September 25, 2006 QuoteJonathan main Traitor - real south african's fly Pintails To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #17 September 26, 2006 Quote Traitor - real south african's fly Pintails I did jump one. Had my 1st chop on one too.. but then the 90's rolled around and brought better canopies... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #18 September 26, 2006 QuoteI've noticed the hostility towards the JVX on dropzone.com as well. I can promise you that neither myself nor Tonto have any "hostility" toward JVX's. I personally think it's a nice, task-specific canopy. I won't be spending three grand on one anytime soon (I am very happy with my current canopies), but if that's what you like then go for it. The people with their panties in a wad are the ones who DO go out of their way to say "this is the best and you are jumping old, outdated stuff". That's simply childish. I don't think that any of the guys who are capable of skillfully piloting competition mains in their intended manner are suffering from "gear envy" over this. How about letting everyone make their own, informed decision on what they want to jump instead of having people force it down everyones' throat? Chuck PS: I am going to bring parts of the old Team Extreme thread back today. It will be split into two parts: the inevitable "JVX rules" part, and the "Stu is with PD now" part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bak_peter 0 #19 September 27, 2006 Chuck, When I look at your user profile, it says that your are sponsored by PD. Quote from your user profile: Interests: "I would like to occupy this space by thanking my sponsors for their great support: Performance Designs (Velocity and Sabre2 mains, PD 106 reserves) ......" It sounds a little bit funny to me when you say that you are impartial between PD and the JVX (the Icarus Deadelus Projekt) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #20 September 27, 2006 wow, I would think that Chuck would be partial to getting free stuff and would get that from anyone that gave it to him I am sure that if suddenly Daedalus gave chuck free JVX's he would take them and thank them for it...I am sure at that point he wouldnt go forth and remove Velocities from the choices on the website... so basically you guys are starting to act like the Alien Conspiracy People about the JVX getting knocked.... Relax we are all here to swoop and have fun...(and adding a canopy to the choices across the site would be a nightmare I know that for a fact) Dhttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #21 September 27, 2006 Do you honestly think that his sponsorship status has any bearing on his duties as a moderator in the forum? I don't really know the dude, but it seems to me that he probably has more integrity than to start a brand war here on DZ.com. This thread was getting to be a little bull shit any ways if you ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #22 September 27, 2006 The fact that I got sponsored by PD in 2003 (and have not recieved any support since then) has no bearing whatsoever on what I post and how I moderate this forum. I get the exact same crap in the wingsuit forum due to my relationship with BirdMan. PD was not my first canopy sponsor, but you never saw me talking smack about them when I had that other sponsor (Atair). I challenge you to show me one single post made by me where I had anything critical to say about Daedalus canopies. On the contrary, I have made plenty of posts where I said that I liked the design. It's simply not my style and it's counter to my duties as a moderator to choose sides in an internet "brand war". Jump what you like, bro, but please stop it with the conspiracy theory talk. By the way, my Velo was built in 1999 and I am still totally happy with it's performance. As I am positive I will be paying full-price for my replacement canopy (I am old and haven't competed lately, so I am out of favor sponsor-wise), I can tell you that it's going to be another Velo 84 with 340 Technora (by MEL). You guys jump what you want and I will stick with what I like. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #23 September 27, 2006 QuoteI am old and haven't competed lately, so I am out of favor sponsor-wise If I'm not mistake you are about one month or so older than I am and it would be nice to see a fellow old'ie out there ripping it up next season. Let's show some of these young guys than age isn't the biggest factor in this sport. Of course competitive swooping is a contact sport and contact sports are harder on the old body sometimes (hockey season is set to start soon). Dang I kind of wish I was born a couple of decades later than what I was, since young guns like Stu and Nick (as well as others of course) have many many moons to continue ripping up their respective swoop ponds. The best has yet to come ... probably from some young guy (or girl) who's not even in the sport yet. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #24 September 28, 2006 Quote I can tell you that it's going to be another Velo 84 with 340 Technora (by MEL). wanna try mine before you buy one? for those of who who think chuck is biased in any way, think again. the JVX is a bad ass canopy, the velo lined with HMA is also, I feel the JVX still has a "slight" advantage, but the velo just needs a few tweaks. my question is, are those tweaks going to be enough? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #25 September 28, 2006 QuoteThis thread was getting to be a little bull shit any ways if you ask me. I second that. Hey chuck, how about you put the old one back on minus the ads and we can discuss what the title suggests! and if anyone wants to take this thread any further...then start a new one called 'chuck really wants a JVX but won't admit it' just kidding chuck!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
