bob.dino 1 #26 September 14, 2006 QuoteAssuming you mean that by positive recovery arc it climbs back up after you level out from a high performance landing. It doesn't climb; it's just that if I release the front risers appropriately then I don't need to bump brakes/rears to plane out. Apologies if I used the wrong terminology. Quoteif you are looking to step up then you will need a canopy with a steeper trim also. try Sabre2 mamba katana etc. At my current skill-level & speed this isn't a problem. As I get better, that may change. When I feel that it's the canopy holding me back, I'll get onto something smaller & zippier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #27 September 14, 2006 QuoteI'm not certain that he would ever cover 120m on a Sam170 loaded that lightly. I'm pretty damn sure I won't be getting 120m on this canopy, but the course isn't set up so I have to do the full length... it's only about 50m. We'll see if that's achievable edit: Thanks one and all for the opinions so far. 'Tis enlightening Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #28 September 15, 2006 50M can be done. I don't want you to think you need to downsize faster than you are ready. The Samurai is a sweet canopy but I wouldn't sleep if I thought you (factually) expected to swoop the length of the (120m) pond... as is I think they inovated X-braces for a reason. Blue Skies! "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites br0k3n 0 #29 September 19, 2006 Quote It doesn't climb; it's just that if I release the front risers appropriately then I don't need to bump brakes/rears to plane out. Apologies if I used the wrong terminology. Dave, you shouldn’t have to “bump” anything to plane out. Whether rears or toggles it's a smooth application that you are looking for. Bumping sounds like you are digging yourself out of a corner. What I suspect is the reason that you plane out with out any input is that you are turning to high, and your not generating a great deal of speed. 300ft seems rather high for a 90, I 270 my stiletto 107 (@1.6) at 470ft, but hey I’m not a samurai expert. First and foremost get yourself a digital alti, and do a bunch of hop and pops, and perform 90, 180, 270 and 360s up high, perform them fast and snappy, and slow and carving, and actually find out how much altitude you burn, then you will have a base line to work from. So lets say for example that the most altitude that you can loose in a 90 is 100ft, and then start your turn at 200ft, first you know for a fact that at 200ft you are high enough that you cannot hit the ground in your turn. Then from there you can fine turn your initiation altitude. If say turning at 200ft still brings you out 100ft to high, bring it down a little and try the next turn from 190/180ft, and eventually you will work out the sweet spot. The same applies moving forward to 180s and 270s. You have to work out what is a safe altitude to start from, and then dial it in. And remember plan your turn so that you have outs, just because you are doing a 90,180,270 etc doesn’t mean that you have to complete it, if you start to come round in your turn and you notice you are low, or your not happy with the picture, then get off you fronts.----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites UDSkyJunkie 0 #30 September 29, 2006 QuoteI'm a huge supporter of digital altimeters but I fear we're breading 'go at the beep' swoopers. I think it's like everything else in skydiving... if the tool is too heavily relied on, it's dangerous. On the other hand, if you don't have it, that's dangerous too. I started out just using my eyes, and over the course of a season got my old-school Sabre 135 dialed in beautifully. Downsized to a Sabre2 120, and found that it was much harder to get the turn initiated at the right altitude... probably because the turn is twice as high. After a year of jumping it, I was getting it pretty well, but not every time. Then it finally happened that I started a 270 WAAAY too low. I hauled down on the brakes and did a perfect tippy-toe landing, but I pulled it from strait up my ass and I knew it. That evening someone walked up to me and said "Neptune. That's all I'm going to say." I thought about it for awhile and bought an Optima the next weekend. It's beautiful! It is a saftey improvement not only because I am less likley to mis-judge my altitude, but it's also vastly improved my visual perception... my eyes know much better when I'm approaching the right altitude, and I've been able to anticipate the beep with remarkable accuracy. I think as long as you remember that computers malfunction sometimes, and always trust your eyes over the audible, it's the only way to go."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #31 September 29, 2006 QuoteThat evening someone walked up to me and said "Neptune. That's all I'm going to say." I had -40m on my Neptun after landing..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #32 September 29, 2006 yeah I have had -340 (I think there was water involved though) :-P Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andyflylife 0 #33 September 29, 2006 I've been using my optima for the last 100 or so jumps plus a Suunto Vector for the last 50 ish. I got the Optima as a method of helping me plan and carry out my setup and turn more consistently, as i started to find myself either turning much to high or a little bit too low. At first i thought 'could i be to dependent on instruments?' But using the combination of the Suunto and the Optima has vastly improved my swoop progression. Far from relying on the two i use my eyes for watching traffic, position rough altitude judgment...etc, then the suunto to clarify the alti. The optima is then a time out beep to move to the next phase of setup, and my final set turn height is not the lowest i can possibly turn, it allows me a little flexibility which is where my eye judgment has the final say. Seems to work for me, swooping is so 3 dimensional that you couldn't possibly rely on instruments, but they make it safer IMHO. Oh and to keep in line with the thread topic i'm just moving on from 90's to 120's Blues skies, safe swoops "swooper 24/7, 365!" 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Samurai136 0 #28 September 15, 2006 50M can be done. I don't want you to think you need to downsize faster than you are ready. The Samurai is a sweet canopy but I wouldn't sleep if I thought you (factually) expected to swoop the length of the (120m) pond... as is I think they inovated X-braces for a reason. Blue Skies! "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #29 September 19, 2006 Quote It doesn't climb; it's just that if I release the front risers appropriately then I don't need to bump brakes/rears to plane out. Apologies if I used the wrong terminology. Dave, you shouldn’t have to “bump” anything to plane out. Whether rears or toggles it's a smooth application that you are looking for. Bumping sounds like you are digging yourself out of a corner. What I suspect is the reason that you plane out with out any input is that you are turning to high, and your not generating a great deal of speed. 300ft seems rather high for a 90, I 270 my stiletto 107 (@1.6) at 470ft, but hey I’m not a samurai expert. First and foremost get yourself a digital alti, and do a bunch of hop and pops, and perform 90, 180, 270 and 360s up high, perform them fast and snappy, and slow and carving, and actually find out how much altitude you burn, then you will have a base line to work from. So lets say for example that the most altitude that you can loose in a 90 is 100ft, and then start your turn at 200ft, first you know for a fact that at 200ft you are high enough that you cannot hit the ground in your turn. Then from there you can fine turn your initiation altitude. If say turning at 200ft still brings you out 100ft to high, bring it down a little and try the next turn from 190/180ft, and eventually you will work out the sweet spot. The same applies moving forward to 180s and 270s. You have to work out what is a safe altitude to start from, and then dial it in. And remember plan your turn so that you have outs, just because you are doing a 90,180,270 etc doesn’t mean that you have to complete it, if you start to come round in your turn and you notice you are low, or your not happy with the picture, then get off you fronts.----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UDSkyJunkie 0 #30 September 29, 2006 QuoteI'm a huge supporter of digital altimeters but I fear we're breading 'go at the beep' swoopers. I think it's like everything else in skydiving... if the tool is too heavily relied on, it's dangerous. On the other hand, if you don't have it, that's dangerous too. I started out just using my eyes, and over the course of a season got my old-school Sabre 135 dialed in beautifully. Downsized to a Sabre2 120, and found that it was much harder to get the turn initiated at the right altitude... probably because the turn is twice as high. After a year of jumping it, I was getting it pretty well, but not every time. Then it finally happened that I started a 270 WAAAY too low. I hauled down on the brakes and did a perfect tippy-toe landing, but I pulled it from strait up my ass and I knew it. That evening someone walked up to me and said "Neptune. That's all I'm going to say." I thought about it for awhile and bought an Optima the next weekend. It's beautiful! It is a saftey improvement not only because I am less likley to mis-judge my altitude, but it's also vastly improved my visual perception... my eyes know much better when I'm approaching the right altitude, and I've been able to anticipate the beep with remarkable accuracy. I think as long as you remember that computers malfunction sometimes, and always trust your eyes over the audible, it's the only way to go."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #31 September 29, 2006 QuoteThat evening someone walked up to me and said "Neptune. That's all I'm going to say." I had -40m on my Neptun after landing..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #32 September 29, 2006 yeah I have had -340 (I think there was water involved though) :-P Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyflylife 0 #33 September 29, 2006 I've been using my optima for the last 100 or so jumps plus a Suunto Vector for the last 50 ish. I got the Optima as a method of helping me plan and carry out my setup and turn more consistently, as i started to find myself either turning much to high or a little bit too low. At first i thought 'could i be to dependent on instruments?' But using the combination of the Suunto and the Optima has vastly improved my swoop progression. Far from relying on the two i use my eyes for watching traffic, position rough altitude judgment...etc, then the suunto to clarify the alti. The optima is then a time out beep to move to the next phase of setup, and my final set turn height is not the lowest i can possibly turn, it allows me a little flexibility which is where my eye judgment has the final say. Seems to work for me, swooping is so 3 dimensional that you couldn't possibly rely on instruments, but they make it safer IMHO. Oh and to keep in line with the thread topic i'm just moving on from 90's to 120's Blues skies, safe swoops "swooper 24/7, 365!" ME on Myspace My Project playlist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
