billvon 3,078 #26 December 16, 2002 I have some velcro toggles, some non-velcro toggles. I think velcro toggles are safer when properly maintained; that's why they are used on reserve risers. They _do_ need maintenance, and if you don't want to replace the velcro every 200-300 jumps, you might be better off with velcroless toggles. Velcro works pretty well. If I ever have to squeeze through a tight door to exit, I want my older Racer with 100% velcro covers. They don't come open accidentally unless the velcro is old. You have to maintain it, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #27 December 16, 2002 ok - let me rephrase. The only bits of velco I want to see .... ----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #28 December 16, 2002 RWS solved that problem and I've done the same mod to my risers to make stow areas. Simple and effective.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #29 December 16, 2002 QuoteI'd go with OUT velcro on the toggles The order for my new Mirage had already been placed before I started this thread.I didnt get velcro on the toggles.I was just curious as to why everyone else chose what they did. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 December 17, 2002 Lisa, I know you know an effective way to stow the brake line in a velcro-less system. Once you know how to do that, its a non-issue. I have 2 places where there is velcro on my rig: My reserve toggles and my reserve freebag. That is all, and I'm very happy about that. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #31 December 17, 2002 what's holding your handles in place?----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #32 December 17, 2002 QuoteLisa, I know you know an effective way to stow the brake line in a velcro-less system. Yup, but I'm not comfortable with it. I'll stick with what I know works for me - velcro toggles - and chance having to replace my lower steering lines a bit sooner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #33 December 17, 2002 Quote what's holding your handles in place? Magic. D'oh, forgot about those pesky handles, ok 3 places...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #34 December 17, 2002 Lisa, have you seen any statistics about problems resulting from brake stow problems on velcro-less toggles? (I'm not being a smart ass, I'm honestly curious). I'm not talking about unstowed brake line, but when the excess has been wraped around the riser and tucked with the toggle tab or something of that nature. I never paid much attention until I started jumping/working for SD Aggieland. The only problem we've had (and 95% of the rigs jumped there have velcro-less toggles) is the one time I was brain dead and stowed a brake above the ring, with the keeper (of course, ripping the damned thing off the riser, giving me a very wild opening on an elliptical canopy). --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #35 December 17, 2002 QuoteOn no-velcro toggle systems, there is usually no provision for stowing the excess steering line. RWS provided a stowing mechanism, and Sunpath says you shouldn't stow in the first place. To me, that makes it a non issue. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #36 December 17, 2002 I understood you perfectly moody. I think sometimes people read a tad quickly and draw their own interpretation from what most of the words were, instead of actually reading all the words in their intended order You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #37 December 17, 2002 Thanks squeak. BTW, cute avatar. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #38 December 17, 2002 There are 2 topics in this thread. 1) Tuck tabs vs Velcro 2)Velcro toggles vs velcroless. I'm saying it was a bit confusing.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #39 December 17, 2002 Quote D'oh, forgot about those pesky handles, ok 3 places... Nope, 4. You forgot the bridle mate point on the container flap to allow for the "idiot-length" after the curve pin.KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #40 December 17, 2002 My rig doesn't have that ----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #41 December 17, 2002 Quote You forgot the bridle mate point Don't have that on my Wings, maybe your Mirage needs one, but my Wings doesn't... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #42 December 17, 2002 Quote Don't have that on my Wings, maybe your Mirage needs one, but my Wings doesn't... Smartass.It gives them a great reminder to leave a little extra bridle out between the pin and where it comes out of the flaps. Hence the term "Idiot Velcro". KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #43 December 17, 2002 Quote You forgot the bridle mate point on the container flap to allow for the "idiot-length" after the curve pin. Pins are curved? _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #44 December 17, 2002 Quote Pins are curved? You & AggieDave...bastards. The lot of ya'! Especially those strange pull-out people... Truly frightening people. KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #45 December 17, 2002 QuoteI like velcro toggles. Why? On no-velcro toggle systems, there is usually no provision for stowing the excess steering line. That excess steering line not being stowed has created several situations that ended in cutaways. That sucks... right, IronMike? (he only had it happen twice...) new Mirage and Vectors have areas to stow excess line quite neatly out of the way.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #46 December 17, 2002 Quote Quote Pins are curved? You & AggieDave...bastards. The lot of ya'! Especially those strange pull-out people... Truly frightening people. Kris Carl "horseshoe-free since 1989" _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #47 December 17, 2002 QuoteQuoteLisa, I know you know an effective way to stow the brake line in a velcro-less system. Yup, but I'm not comfortable with it. I'll stick with what I know works for me - velcro toggles - and chance having to replace my lower steering lines a bit sooner. So would one of you care to explain what this method is ? I have velcro-less toggles and my excess is just stowed next to the risers under the riser covers. Lisa knows what I am referring to, we both have infinities. Is there a way to stow that extra line ? I have seen some people insert the extra line into the grommeted "hole" in the toggle and then just leave it there. Sorry to tangent on this thread, but this does interest me a bit.... I like to prevent mals rather than "wait and see" how something works... thx Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #48 December 17, 2002 QuoteMirage doesn't make a container with velcro tuck tabs. well not anymore, my Mirage g3 (dmo96) has velcro tabs but the velcro is good, i expect to have to replace it at least once.. i dont think you can get velcro anymore, nor would i want to... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #49 December 17, 2002 Stow the brake, but don't put the tip of the toggle into the toggle keeper yet. Wrap the excess brake line around the riser in a loop, put the top of the loop over the tip of the toggle then stow the toggle in the keeper. That's how I stow the line.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #50 December 17, 2002 Or you can "Larks foot" a rubber band onto the riser.But Never, EVER, EVER stow the excess up where the links attach.....Well, I won't ever do it again... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
