Swooping big canopies

[matt1215 0]

Just caught the Scott Miller Navigator-swoop clippit, cool stuff!!

Anybody like to swoop big, lightly loaded canopies, say 210+ @ sub 1:1?

[dharma1976 0]

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Just caught the Scott Miller Navigator-swoop clippit, cool stuff!!

Anybody like to swoop big, lightly loaded canopies, say 210+ @ sub 1:1?

My rotator cuff is hurting just thinking about using rears on that

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[980 0]

I don't know about the Navigator..

but I have been getting into swooping my Blackjack260 @ 0.75 lb/sq. ft and I do not find using the rears hard at all

using the fronts, now there's a different issue! but a very simple technique will allow you to get those puppies down further than if you were the Governator himself...

there's a 1st person view near the beginning of this teaser: (SObase2006teaser) of a swoop with a 260 @ 0.75

probably not a very good idea if you don't have loads of jumps on these canopies, the recovery arc is stupidly short...

Miles Daisher does some really awesome swoops with his 260 ACE - you have to see it to believe it.

cya

edited to add: who needs an RDS if you jump without a slider and PC anyway?

[Darius11 12]

I swooped my Nav 260 not to long and my Saber 2 230 all the time. With the 230 I can get some speed the Nav not so much but it was fun as hell.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[superstu 0]

i've seen some people get some good rips on tandems does that count?

and who needs to use rears, the damn thing should plane out by itself if ya do it right

Slip Stream Air Sports
Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down

[dharma1976 0]

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i've seen some people get some good rips on tandems does that count?

and who needs to use rears, the damn thing should plane out by itself if ya do it right

On a Navigator I am sure it will....

on my canopy I find that it will go further if I plane it out myself...and i think I might be able to get a brian germain diagram showing why you go further if you do it

;-)

Dave

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CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[Derekbox 0]

I have never been sub 1:1, but I do have some experience swooping big canopies, starting with Sabre 2 - 210's and down... ;)

It works, but it takes some work too.

Keep it safe.

[ntacfreefly 0]

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on my canopy I find that it will go further if I plane it out myself...and i think I might be able to get a brian germain diagram showing why you go further if you do it

;-)

I'm pretty sure Stu knows why

Of course, it's entirely canopy dependant.

Blues.
Ian

To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu

It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer

[dharma1976 0]

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on my canopy I find that it will go further if I plane it out myself...and i think I might be able to get a brian germain diagram showing why you go further if you do it

;-)

I'm pretty sure Stu knows why

Of course, it's entirely canopy dependant.

Blues.
Ian

I am sure stu knows as well, but I am a wise ass and couldnt help myself...l. do a search for mooth ;-)

dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[matt1215 0]

What's mooth? I've seen that word a few times and even after running a search, I still have no idea what it means.

[superstu 0]

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on my canopy I find that it will go further if I plane it out myself...and i think I might be able to get a brian germain diagram showing why you go further if you do it

;-)

I'm pretty sure Stu knows why

Of course, it's entirely canopy dependant.

Blues.
Ian

I am sure stu knows as well, but I am a wise ass and couldnt help myself...l. do a search for mooth ;-)

dave

wait...what are we talking about again?

Slip Stream Air Sports
Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down

[BlindBrick 0]

At similar WL's, my Safire 2 269 on a straight in approach will outswoop a smaller Stilletto coming in on double fronts. Things get even more interesting if you put a little more energy into the system, but then again, 1.3 isn't exactly a light WL.

-Blind

"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it."

[packerboy 3]

I'd have to see that to believe it... maybe if the Safire is downwind and the Stiletto is into wind.

Forgive me for being skeptical, but who's flying the small Stiletto?

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[AggieDave 6]

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At similar WL's, my Safire 2 269 on a straight in approach will outswoop a smaller Stilletto coming in on double fronts.

Its all about the pilot. Scott Miller took a Navigator 220 150ft through a swoop course. Which is a much less "swoopy" canopy than your Safire2. He was at a 1:1 wingloading too (or less, can't remember exactly right now).

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[packerboy 3]

I fully agree, but Scott Miller has more than 235 jumps.

I took his course, and he's not that bad of a canopy pilot at all!

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[AggieDave 6]

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I fully agree, but Scott Miller has more than 235 jumps.

That was kind of my point.

We are all learning and a static comparison of two different jumpers on two different canopies does not give a true representation of what either one of the canopies is capable of doing with different people jumping them. Make sense? (I might have confused myself with that sentence).

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[packerboy 3]

Absolutely... I bet Scott Miller would swoop WAY WAY further on a small Stiletto on double fronts than on a Safire 2 269 on a straight in approach.

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In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

[phoenixlpr 0]

Sounds like a remote pissing contest.