chayes12 0 #1 May 16, 2006 Tom Dellibac wins another one Meet 4 of the 2006 Southeast CPC series took place over this past weekend at The Farm located in Rockmart Georgia. The DZ is in it’s third year of operations and is doing well. A beautiful location boasts two natural ponds and a huge landing area. A good mix of skydivers is present at the farm with the Grand Caravan flying close to 20 loads despite some high winds. New jumpers and very highly experienced jumpers are jumping at the farm along with student and tandem operations running smoothly along side the swoop competition. There is a 4 way VRW team training at The Farm with some impressive video footage to share. Team Mandarin plans on competing in a number of 4 way VRW comps this year. Kolla and Lara and Robin and Roy made the drive up to Georgia from Florida to handle the judging and the video work and as always did an outstanding job. Although judge Jennifer Leiras was missed, this team of judges that has been with the Southeast series for the entire 2006 season is proving to be top notch. Performance Designs provided t shirts and give away prizes for the competitors. Fourteen competitors competed in the fourth meet of the year for a cash purse of $450. Some high winds during the day put the comp on hold for a while, but five out of the six rounds were completed. One round of zone accuracy on the big natural swoop pond was not able to be completed. Tom Dellibac, winning his third meet of the year took the top spot and collected $220 for his efforts. Chris Hayes competing as guest pro competitor using the CPC handicap system took second place and $150. Mark Shimell also competing as a pro guest competitor took third place and $80. Vitally Turbayelski finished less than one point behind Shimell to take fourth. The point difference between third and fourth was 0.56 points. Jesse Watson rounded out the top five. With this win, it seems that Dellibac’s strong performance in his first year of competitive swooping has secured him the top spot for the coveted overall Southeast CPC champion with only one meet to go for the season. Dellibac, flying an Icarus VX, stays in first place with David “Jr” Ludvik moving up another place into second while John Zuliani slips down to fifth spot. Jesse Watson moves up three spots from sixth to third with his overall consistent flying for the season and his fifth place finish for this meet. Joey “Sun Man” Day also moves up three spots into fourth place for the overall standings. After the last meet each competitors worst score will be dropped and the overall winners will be calculated and the 2006 Championship Belt will be awarded. The last meet for the year will be held at Lake Wales on June 17th Hope to see you all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #2 May 16, 2006 thanks to you and the judges for coming up chris, it was fun. hope to see you at another one soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #3 May 17, 2006 Was it the intention that guest competitors would take prize money away from CPC members? I'm a little surprised at that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 May 17, 2006 QuoteWas it the intention that guest competitors would take prize money away from CPC members? I'm a little surprised at that. Have you seen some of the handicaps that the Pro/Advanced competitors are now running under? It's almost impossible for a Pro/Advanced guy to get a better speed carving score than an Amateur guy who's got some skill and talent. Plus the amateur guys don't need to drag for water points (they automatically get them by just making the gates) in zone accuracy. Based on these current handicaps, I don't think you can fault the guest Pro competitors much any more. If you don't think that they should be allowed to win prize money, then they shouldn't need to worry about paying the entry fees. I think the Advanced guys are the ones who are really getting ####ed with these new handicaps. But it is what it is. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #5 May 17, 2006 QuoteWas it the intention that guest competitors would take prize money away from CPC members? I'm a little surprised at that. here is an official invitation for you to come down to the southeast last cpc meet and swoop against these guys. they are all quite good and it isn't easy to beat them. it gets even harder when you got the handicap. i'm sure you ask any one of them and they will tell you it is fair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #6 May 17, 2006 My post wasn't a criticism of the handicap system or the CPC competitors in the southeast. It was directed at the policy of letting pros (guests) contend for prize money in a CPC meet. I think that only rookies and advanced competitors should be eligible for prize money. Of course, if guests aren't eligible for prize money then I don't think they should have to contribute to the pot either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunnydee123 0 #7 May 18, 2006 Where is Roy and those pictures? Dreams become reality, one choice at a time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #8 May 18, 2006 QuoteMy post wasn't a criticism of the handicap system or the CPC competitors in the southeast. It was directed at the policy of letting pros (guests) contend for prize money in a CPC meet. I think that only rookies and advanced competitors should be eligible for prize money. Of course, if guests aren't eligible for prize money then I don't think they should have to contribute to the pot either. what would be the incentive for a pro to go compete with them then? people at the pro level have put alot of money time and effort to get there, so I would have to disagree with you. the handicap system levels the field. It works, and allows the two to compete against each other. intermediate pilots have to be on there game to win, as do the pro's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #9 May 18, 2006 In addition I think it's important to note that the 'pro' people haven't actually placed high enough to win a cash prize until this last meet. It's the exception, not the rule, that they even get the cash with the handicap system. Side note, as a Pro I have to pay MORE than a CPC member to compete. I have to pay the registration for the meet (like everyone else) but then I also have to pay an addition $15 or whatever the guest fee is - which is bogus IMO cause I'm not eligible for CPC so I can't buy, nor should I have to, a membership. But because I'm not eligible for one I have to pay the 'guest' fee. That sucks and is annoying. I don't think the cash prizes are enough to lure pro's to the CPC (I think Mark will agree) but it definitely makes the difference between competing if I'm there or not competing at all. I believe a large part of my own personal progression was having the exposure to the PDFT on our Southeast Region during 2004. There was at least 1 of them at every meet and it certainly helped skyrocket my own progression. IMO regions should be trying to attract the pro's to help the upcoming pilots progress faster. Blues, IanTo the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #10 May 18, 2006 Why should there be an incentive to lure the pros to compete in a CPC meet? Don't get me wrong, I welcome the opportunity to compete with the pros and I don't deny the educational value. But there are people who are reluctant to compete at all because they feel that they are donating their entry fees as cash prizes for more experienced pilots. With pros coming along and walking away with their money that's just another nail in the coffin. Of course my perspective is probably different in the Illinois region where we had low turnout last year. There are plenty of pilots in the area with the skills to start competing and I hate to give them reasons not to give it a try. P.S. I agree with you about the guest fees, Ian. I don't think guests should have to pay at all unless it is used to pay for judges or course materials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #11 May 18, 2006 QuoteWhy should there be an incentive to lure the pros to compete in a CPC meet? Don't get me wrong, I welcome the opportunity to compete with the pros and I don't deny the educational value. But there are people who are reluctant to compete at all because they feel that they are donating their entry fees as cash prizes for more experienced pilots. With pros coming along and walking away with their money that's just another nail in the coffin. having pro pilots at EVERY meet competing against the cpc pilots will "as ian said" help skyrocket there skills. Im willing to bet you see the southeast representing again this tear with a whole new crew. the southeast took 7-the top 10 positions last year, and there were a few of us that were not there that could have possibly even taken first. I'm willing to bet you see a repeat of that this year, or something close to it. I agree with Ian, "pro" pilots should not have to pay the "guest" fee. having a "pro" pilot there, or multiple one's is a benefit for everyone. you have to understand, the rules the way the CPC is now, is what we "southeast" florida really, have been competing under since 04. this is why the southeast is one step ahead, in my opinion. us doing comps like this before the cpc ever started, and always having pro's there to watch and learn from. I payed out my money to them, the is nothing wrong with us being on the other end now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #12 May 18, 2006 QuoteP.S. I agree with you about the guest fees, Ian. I don't think guests should have to pay at all unless it is used to pay for judges or course materials. I think the "guest" should have to pay, if they want to compete, but a "pro" should not have to. I'm talking about the 15$ guest fee. not the prize money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #13 May 18, 2006 QuoteI think the "guest" should have to pay, if they want to compete, but a "pro" should not have to. I'm talking about the 15$ guest fee. not the prize money. I don't compete, and i am FAR from being a pro. But you guys are eligible for prize money, why not kick in to the kiddy, assuming that fee is money going towards the cash purse. Just my $.02 and feel free to give me change. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #14 May 18, 2006 QuoteBut you guys are eligible for prize money, why not kick in to the kiddy, assuming that fee is money going towards the cash purse. The fee Mark and I are referring to is a Guest CPC membership fee - it's over and above the comp registration fee's which count towards prize money. We are all in agreement that if a person contributes towards the cash prize then they should be eligible for it. Blues, IanTo the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites