BOC for student?

[alexey 6]

I found, that USPA allow boc PS for student, not only spring-loaded. Can someone picture the scheme for reserve instructor opening?
Thanks.....

Lexa

[Sonic 0]

From what I've heard, the boc pouch is connected similar to the wings on a wingsuit - the reserve side can just "cut away" the pouch. I cuold be wrong on this though.

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[Ron 10]

I only know of the testing ZHills did a few years ago.

The R side JM has a handle that can release the BOC along one edge. The PC then falls out, and launches pretty good. It hits the wind from between the students legs.

I have seen a lot of video that was taken during testing, and I am confident in the system.

Ron

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[nicknitro71 0]

I know at Cross Key they use this system. IMO is the way to go. Not need for the transition from rip to throw.

Memento Audere Semper

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[freeflir29 0]

Yep...the reserve side JM has a red handle on the BOC. It's connected to a length of yellow cable (cutaway type) that runs the entire length of the BOC pocket. He pulls it and the BOC comes open releasing the PC. I've never heard of any problems with the PC launching. Here's why......if the reserve side JM has to pull for the student it's because they lost the main side JM. That usually means the student is NOT flying perfectly flat and stable. Burbble is probably NOT going to be an issue in this case.

[Hooknswoop 19]

Like everyone already described, either a BOC w/ a reserve-side-main-pull or a normal BOC is used. I have deployed students from the reserve side using both systems. With the reserve-side-main-pull, I would reach across and just pull the PC out of the BOC if I could. It tends to hesitate a bit. The BOC will still be connected by the lower edge, so it sort of flops open and once the air catches it, it deploys. Teaching a student using BOC has several advantages.

1) No transitin jump/transition training, they learn on what they will jump after student status

2) They can't see the handle, so they don't de-arch looking for it.

3) The hand-deploy PC doesn't tend to get caught in their burble like spring loaded PC's do. Although I have great video of a student placing a PC in their burble and getting a hesitation rivalling a sp[ring loaded PC, but that is rare.

4) They learn about BOC as a student, so when they buy their own gear, they don't need further training to know what their BOC is/how it works.

5) No lost rip cords

Hook

[AggieDave 6]

I had a spring loaded PC hit me in the back of the head on a student jump when I was a student. It pissed me off so I grabbed it and "tossed" it out into the air.

That was my $0.02...

Eitherway, with the way the gear is setup now days for AFF-able BOCs, I see NO reason why spring loaded PCs should be used on student mains.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[freeflir29 0]

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I had a spring loaded PC hit me in the back of the head on a student jump

Yep....on my first free fall Greg said it bounced off my back about 5 times before I remembered to "check"

[riggerrob 643]

The only reason for retaining spring-loaded main pilotchutes is if you want to install an AAD on the main, but main AADs are a rigger's nightmare and pretty much passe'

[dropdeded 0]

Cool,once again ,questions have been answered for me that I didnt even think to ask.

Appreciate the input guys,people are learning
dropdeded
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[SkymonkeyONE 4]

We have used BOC-only as the primary teaching system at the Green Beret Parachute Activity for a couple of years now for both SL and AFF. As Derek said, there is no "re-learning" now since you start on the rig you will finish the course and continue skydiving with.

At Raeford, we have been using BOC-only student Javelins (and older Vector 2's with the same mods) with the reserve-side BOC release since Tony and Kate bought out the school last year. The system works very good, but I have seen a better handle location on some spring-loaded rigs where the handle, made of bridle material, is velcro'd to the left main closing flap and over to the left main riser cover juncture. This makes it so you don't have to "switch hands" away from the legstrap in order to pull, instead being able to pull from the reserve side with your left hand; nice.

Chuck

[chutingstar 1]

We only have the BOC systems on our student Dolphins and Javelins as well.

Altico markets one version of the system as Ambidex. Mike Furry has photos of the system in action on his web site at http://www.altico.com/ambidex.html

Mike

ChutingStar.com

[gale 0]

Just as an aside, I took PFF and I used an unmodified boc container. It's all we had at the dz. I always wondered how the reserve guy could get to it if he needed to but I just figured if it came down to it he could always deploy the reserve.

Gale

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[flyer299 0]

I just got off of student status and the only thing they had was the modified BOC. Until now, I thought it was common. Just shows how new I am to it. Looking back, I am glad I learned this way.

[JumpCrazy 0]

I only have 13 jumps and I did PFF with BOC. At first it was diffucult to find the handle, but by AFF level 2, It was second nature. I am happy I learned that way. I also thought that way the way most people learned...oh well.

Flying Hellfish #470

[HeatherB 0]

Here's a photo of a BOC pouch with an AFF left side deployment handle, in case any one is interested. I pulled up the flap along to top so you can see the cutaway cable.

blue skies,
Heather

[riggerrob 643]

Pitt meadows standarized on simple BOC for all students in 1997.
We have not looked back.
While the textbook says that a reserve-side instructor is supposed to pull the reserve ripcord, if he finds himself down and dirty, I have deployed a couple of student mains while hanging onto thair left hips.
We contemplated installing two-handle BOCs, but it is tough to justify considering how rarely the reserve-side instructor has to pull for the student.