AggieDave 6 #26 December 10, 2002 QuoteHave you ever jumped a Navigator? Most are trimmed in such a way that it would actually be very dificult to "hook" one. Navigators are trimmed to turn very flat, for exactly the reason you're alluding to. To "hook" a Navigator, you would likely need to hook your foot through the toggle. Actually, I've jumped a Navigator 200, a 240 and a 300 on numerous occasions. Yes, you *can* hook it.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #27 December 10, 2002 I've jumped them both and like the spectre better . Jump them both and decide for yourself . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #28 December 10, 2002 Quote In another post we got people talking a guy out of going to a Diablo at 70 jumps. Dang. I missed that. He's nuts. The Diablo and the Spectre are totally different. The Diablo has much more aggressive shaping to it; it flies and turns much faster than a Spectre of the same size and it lands more like a 9 cell. The shaping on the Spectre is, well, "lighter" - it's not as elliptical as the Diablo. How's that for confusing? I'd class a Diablo with a Stiletto. Nobody with 70 jumps would be buying one from me. Like the Stiletto (and other higher performance canopies), you must have perfect body position on opening; seen quite a few line twist cutaways on Diablos. But I'll sell anyone off student status a Spectre. At light wingloadings (1.0 to about 1.2) it's easy to get good landings with and still fun to fly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #29 December 10, 2002 Like I said, If you know the canopy and feel confident on that suggestion, who be I to argue? Peace love and condoms, that's my motto. JJJJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #30 December 10, 2002 [ The Diablo and the Spectre are totally different. The Diablo has much more aggressive shaping to it; it flies and turns much faster than a Spectre of the same size and it lands more like a 9 cell. I understand the dangers of a faster canopy, more speed= more energy. And the dangers of a canopy that turns too easy for a novice, overcorrect or react and turn yourself into the ground. But I don't understand the dangers of a 9 cell approach and flare compared to a 7 cell other than it being flatter. Are you sure the Diablo of the same size is faster than a similar sized spectre? I have personally flown both but just not in the same size so I have nothing to compare directly. Although I don't hick it flares like a 9 cell at all. Glen I'd class a Diablo with a Stiletto. Nobody with 70 jumps would be buying one from me. Like the Stiletto (and other higher performance canopies), you must have perfect body position on opening; seen quite a few line twist cutaways on Diablos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #31 December 10, 2002 Quote Actually, I've jumped a Navigator 200, a 240 and a 300 on numerous occasions. Yes, you *can* hook it. And yes, a Navigator 220 swoops like an animal when you give it a good amount of front riser... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #32 December 10, 2002 QuoteAre you sure the Diablo of the same size is faster than a similar sized spectre? I've flown both a Spectre 150 and a Diablo 150. The Diablo turns much faster and tighter and flies faster through the air. It is also faster on approach and requires more attention to the flare. Quote But I don't understand the dangers of a 9 cell approach and flare compared to a 7 cell other than it being flatter. Let me rephrase. I meant that the Diablo approach and flare is more like a Stiletto or other higher performance canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShivaDas 0 #33 December 13, 2002 Well, this is a done deal for me. My own new spectre should arrive tomorrow or monday! yea!!! should have my whole new rig by a week at most! BEER! I may go rent one more time to get some easier packing in... but I can't wait to jump my own rig! Just havin fun! Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites