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diffrence in flight/dive charicteristics between Xfire and VX?

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so i now just a Xfire2 99 (WL 2.17) and getting ready to put my VX 95 (WL 2.26) into my second rig. Just wondering what are the diffrences in flight/dive charicteristics between the two.

Of course i'll play with it up high to get a feel for it, but i just wanted a heads up.
"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

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so i now just a Xfire2 99 (WL 2.17) and getting ready to put my VX 95 (WL 2.26) into my second rig. Just wondering what are the diffrences in flight/dive charicteristics between the two.

Of course i'll play with it up high to get a feel for it, but i just wanted a heads up.



not much... the crossfire doesnt have the bottem end flare at the end like the vx does... that is the biggest difference i can tell you..

ive got about 600 jumps on a 99 crossfire and about 350 jups on an 87 vx.

that should be a VERY EASY transition... was for me...

it was harder going from a 107 stilletto to the 99 crosfire than it was from the crossfire to the vx

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I never went over at the same size, I went from Crossfire 2 130 to a VX 109. You will notice the front riser pressure is quite a bit higher on the VX. I personally had to figure out a different way to start my approach. Some pilots will go from brakes to front risers to lighten up the riser pressure, for myself I noticed if I start the turn with my hips it lightens the riser pressure to a managable point. Your front riser pressure will build fairly quickly and unlike the Crossfire 2 will pull out of your hands.
Kirk

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My advice is to make the VX your primary. You want to stay more current on the more "dangerous" canopy.

Just a thought.




well it all depends on what im doing really.....if im doing camera or birdman, im using my Xfire......if im fun jumping or swooping, its the VX


thanks for the advise.......never thought it to be a hard transition at all.....just never flew a VX
"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

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well it all depends on what im doing really.....if im doing camera or birdman, im using my Xfire......if im fun jumping or swooping, its the VX


thanks for the advise.......never thought it to be a hard transition at all.....just never flew a VX



This is not my recomendation just what I did and the reason for it. I use to fly a Crossfire 2 130 with my wingsuit and out of the 60 jumps I did with it I only got into line twist about a half a dozen times. I really did not like the way the canopy started for the ground as soon as the twist was started. I eventually switched to using my VX for the wingsuit as it fly straight if in line twist (atleast for my the five times I have been in them). My line twist issue may have been packing induced or body position, I did eventually find a way to pack the VX to avoid line twist) Plus I really like the fact that the VX opens faster. The Crossfire 2 thousand foot opening are nice just eat up alot of altitude though.
Kirk

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I wouldnt say the xfire is the same as the vx.

Since you are loading the xfire up pretty high, you will probably see a lot more lift coming from the vx. I found the xfire performance started to drop off over 2.0.

The front riser pressure is a lot higher. I can pull it down pretty far, and it wont pull from your hand until you let it. You can let it up a little, but you wont get it back down once speed has started building.

It is a lot more ground hungry in full flight, and when you transition from brakes to rear risers (for glide lets say) the canopy surges quite a bit. It floats pretty well in brakes but like most Icarus canopies, I believe it gets it's best glide from the rear risers.

I was pretty surprised how well the VX opened. I roll the tail real tight (like press the air out of it over your shoulder and then roll the tail some more). I have gotten really consistant openings that way.

And the recovery arc is a lot longer. The VX really holds on to its speed around the corner.

Give it a shot, I think you'll really like it.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

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All I was really trying to say is that the VX is not a canopy you want to be constantly getting current and then going uncurrent. If you do enough jumps that it doesn't matter what rig it is in, then cool deal.

But if you are in a situation where you will do one or two jumps a day on it if it is in your secondary rig, and eight jumps a day on it if it is in your primary rig, put it in your primary rig. Either way, jump the fuck out of it until you feel as comfortable under it as you do your current canopy.

I have a xfire2 in my rig. Last summer, I would ocasionaly jump my friends velocity. I lost a toggle down low and I wasn't ready to deal with it. I done broke myself!

I think that had I actually devoted the time to learning the canopy, I would have had the skills to deal with that situation.

I think if you have it now, put it in your current rig and use it for camera jumps, fun jumps and swooping. Table the wingsuit until you get the second rig built or until you are comfortable enough with the canopy to use it for that too. Also, you can borrow a rig from a friend or teamate for that.

Don't take the transition lightly(not saying you are). Remember, that canopy will kill you in the blink of an eye if you let it.

Isn't Chuck Blue in Raeford? Have you talked to him about it. I know he jumps a velocity, but he has a lot of experience in this area.

Have fun and be safe.

Methane Freefly - got stink?

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that canopy will kill you in the blink of an eye if you let it.



any highly WL canopy can do that....even my xfire.


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Isn't Chuck Blue in Raeford? Have you talked to him about it. I know he jumps a velocity, but he has a lot of experience in this area.



yes he jumps here, and trust me, i pick his brain alot too.....but i wanted knowledge from people who jump THESE canopies.
"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

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The front riser pressure is a lot higher.



this is more so with the crossfire 2. the original crossfire "post recall" alot of them had HIGH front riser pressure and flew just like the vx, the original ones were very ROUGE. not all flew the same. but they opened the same.

my 99 crossfire has ALOT of front riser pressure. just like the vx.

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With such a small change in wing load, I think you will actually feel like the VX is doggin it a little. Highly loaded Crossfire 2s are twitchy little buggers and snappy turners. CB flight is something totally different - It feels tight and rigid, but kinda slow. Until you learn how to harness the power....

Have fun.

Canuck

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