D22369 0 #1 January 4, 2005 if I get a demo 84 velocity (do they make them that small for demo's?) what will I find comparing it to a 85 Fx? *I did a search and got lots of interesting facts, but nothing comparing the two size to size.. as I am not sure if I want to increase my wingloading I figure comparing the same size (1' difference) would make up my mind if I was ready to downsize to a 79 (the next size down).. or if I was biting off more than I care to chew every jump...... I would like to optimise my wingloading for swooping, but dont want a canopy that scares the shit outta me on every dive.... interested in knowing how twitchy it is, riser pressure, toggle pressure, length of dive, flair, and your opinion of opening characteristics between the two. thanks; RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #2 January 4, 2005 You want to load a 79 at 2.2 and you are still questioning whether you are quite ready to downsize??? If you think jumping a Velocity 84 is going to make up your mind, then you are on the wrong track. What you can do under your current canopy should make that decision, and I find it hard to believe you have mastered your 85 with statements like this: "as I am not sure if I want to increase my wingloading I figure comparing the same size (1' difference) would make up my mind if I was ready to downsize to a 79 (the next size down).. or if I was biting off more than I care to chew every jump...... I would like to optimise my wingloading for swooping, but dont want a canopy that scares the shit outta me on every dive...." Stay on your 85 for another 500 jumps. Maybe never downsize. 2.06 is pretty optimal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #3 January 4, 2005 I was afraid someone would take what I wrote the wrong way...... as I would be changing brands I would like a decent comparison of the two, no two canopy's from different manufacturers fly the same whether they are both seven cells or not.... I dont wish to buy a 79 velocity and find that it is more than I want on a typical jump. so an 84 from PD would allow me to analize the differences between velocity and icarus and give me a good benchmark to determine whether I am ready for a 2.2 to one wingload on a velocity. I know I can handle a 2.2 to one wingload on a FX without a doubt, but it would be over the maximum swoop potential of the canopy and I would only gain speed at the cost of distance. thanks for your reply though. edit to add>> with my lead vest on my wingload on my fx is 2.2 RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bartje 0 #4 January 4, 2005 My Fx89 did had less lift than my Velocity79. You are not winning performance, you are going to loose performance with the Fx85. Openings from a Velocity are much better as well. A Fx has his maximum (sorry for the correction) wl at 2.2 as a Velocity has it at 2.4. I think you are better with a Velocity with 2.2 wl than a Fx with 2.2 wl. A FreeFly Gypsy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #5 January 4, 2005 Quoteas a Velocity has it at 2.4. For distance the PD guys are loading around 2.1 Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #6 January 4, 2005 QuoteFor distance the PD guys are loading around 2.1 Yeah. The better idea is to buy big and wear lead. Maybe an 84 with a vest, or a 90 with a big vest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #7 January 4, 2005 according to George Galloway (who is really awsome!!! He tried really hard to sell me the XFX mod) but still re-lined my canopy in record time last year (begging and pleading works!!!) the fx max swoop potential is 2-1 for distance. and my own observations on the distance I get when I am wearing my weights leads me to believe its true I want distance, more than I can get from my fx.... on occasion I go 300', but more often its 250-275, it just runs out of ooomph....... and doesnt have quite the shut down that the velocities and Xaos seem to have. even if I decide on purchasing an 84 velocity and keeping my wingloading, Its a cleaner wing, and should give me the distance I want... I have no asperations of joining the PST and would only like to swoop for pleasure and compete in some local meets. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #8 January 4, 2005 QuoteI have no asperations of joining the PST and would only like to swoop for pleasure and compete in some local meets. Cool. I loved the 84 Velo. I found it a boatload of fun to fly and super responsive. I think you'll like it a lot. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bartje 0 #9 January 4, 2005 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For distance the PD guys are loading around 2.1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah. The better idea is to buy big and wear lead. Maybe an 84 with a vest, or a 90 with a big vest. I just want to say that after a wl 2.4 with a velocity you loose performance. indead the pd boy's like timmy has a wl 2.1. If he need more speed they take extra weight he told. I'm into the speed and speed carve. A FreeFly Gypsy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 January 4, 2005 QuoteA Fx has his maximum (sorry for the correction) wl at 2.2 as a Velocity has it at 2.4. Really? PD says it's 2.2. I haven't found a 21 cell that flies particularly well or efficiently at 2.4. Even the 27 cells are pushing it at 2.4.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bartje 0 #11 January 4, 2005 QuoteReally? PD says it's 2.2. I haven't found a 21 cell that flies particularly well or efficiently at 2.4. Even the 27 cells are pushing it at 2.4. I'm talking with my (little)experience. when I did fly a Velocity at 2.45 it was loosing performance. The Fx did loose performance from 2.25. After those wl it was only more speed and not more lift. the Xaos did loose performance at 2.65.(but fast as hell) Im not saying that I'm a big time swooper but I like the speed in my landings. A FreeFly Gypsy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #12 January 4, 2005 I guess I misread your question a bit. Sorry. I am just a little touchy about the whole canopy prgression thing when I think someone wants to downsize before they have really mastered their current canopy. Losing a friend will do that to ya. It's not an excuse, just am explanation. I do apologize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #13 January 5, 2005 Hey, no problem, I understand that I dont state my posts quite as eloquently as I could, and after re-reading my original post today, I can totally see why you took it the way you didI am quite the canopy police myself, I find that I try to slow newer jumpers when they are trying to get a canopy that is way beyond them at that point in thier progression. They always point out my canopy size so its kinda like getting a no smoking speech while your mom has a lit cig in her hand..... no apology necessary, I would rather have everyone a little touchy about downsizing than a whole lot of people not caring... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
