Nitro...Flies Big?

[WeakMindedFool 0]

Question for those with experience flying a Nitro and Stilleto. I understand that the Nitro flies as if it was a bigger canopy. I've demoed a stilleto 150 and am waiting on a Nitro 150. I've been told it flies like a size bigger. Anyone have any experience with these canopies. And yes I did a search and got no info on this.
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[quade 4]

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I've been told it flies like a size bigger.

I hear similar comments about different canopies all the time. What is that supposed to mean anyway?

Does that mean it; flies slower, has more lift at lower airspeeds, isn't as responsive, is "safer" than some mythical "standard" canopy at that size?

Personally, I think the phrase, like so many other pseudo-analytical one-line reviews is misleading as heck.

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[Spizzzarko 0]

You know a hundred differnet people can demo the same canopy, and you could get a hundred different responses. It all comes down to then comparing it to what they are used to flying. Every one elses opinions can be misleading. Jump it your self, and come to your own opinion.

[GravityGirl 0]

Jump both and come back here and tell us what you think. What did they mean by "Flys Bigger"?!?

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[WeakMindedFool 0]

I am gonna jump it and see what I think... I'll let you all know!

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[SkymonkeyONE 4]

I have jumped both and definitely think that a Nitro in one size "feels" like a one-size-larger ST. A Nitro is not a twitchy canopy and it has more usable lift at slower airspeeds (when you are landing). Nitros fly like Cobalts which fly like Crossfires. Longer toggle stroke than an ST for sure and they feel "slower" in the same size. Demo the canopy and see if it is what you like.

Chuck

[speedy 0]

I think the nitro flies big and small.

Short recovery arc like a big canopy.
Very agile like a small canopy.

The proof is in the pudding. Try one

Dave

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[genghis 0]

Hey, I have a Nitro 135 loaded at about 1.7 (Yeah im a fat ass) and my buddy flies a ST 135 which i have a number of jumps on. From my experiences with them I'd have to agree that it has the best of both worlds. It has the agility, turning, and sportiness just as the Stiletto in the same size. It will hold a dive with very little riser pressure and is amazing on front riser turns like it's zp counterparts. Where it "flies big" is in the landing. It can cruise like you wouldn't believe and hold out a glide till its practically stopped. I jump in CO at over 5000msl and Low winds, no winds, cross winds, I still have yet to run out a landing on it no matter what kind of turn i start her with. The sailcloth maintains amazing rigidity and so the responsiveness is great, but I've had it deep in the corner, avoiding collisions low and all sorts of other hairy conditions and it feels as reliable and safe as a 190. be careful on the size for packing though. My Mirage fit a Xfire 149 fine, but my nitro135 is snug in it. the material is heavy as hell and really thick which makes it a dream to get in the bag, but a bitch to get in the container. Hope this helps.

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[hjumper33 0]

I dont know what I like about this post better. The fact that the original was 3+ years ago, or the fact that Cahill now flies a velo at over 2.3. I want to see him jump a nitro 150 again though!

[dharma1976 0]

I like the fact that there is a good question here what does fly bigger mean cause you hear that a lot in this sport...

like is it due to the fact that the span wise is bigger than others causing it to fly wider making it appear to be a larger wing or is it chord-wise...

any physics profs or wing designers here that could help us on that???

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I like the fact that there is a good question here what does fly bigger mean cause you hear that a lot in this sport...

like is it due to the fact that the span wise is bigger than others causing it to fly wider making it appear to be a larger wing or is it chord-wise...

Or is it a slight difference in measuring technique that means it actually is just bigger?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[dharma1976 0]

you know I thought that but forgot to put it in there

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[mattjw916 2]

I've jumped a Nitron 170, 150, and Nitro 150... I don't think "flies big" applies personally.

All of them are responsive but not overly-aggressive canopies. Nitro 150 felt a little sportier than the Nitrons actually.

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[gearless_chris 1]

I jump a Nitron 170(around 400 jumps on it), demoed a Nitro 150(put 13 jumps on it), and jumped a borrowed Stilleto 150(about 100 jumps on it). The Nitron/Nitro doesn't turn as quick as the Stilleto, maybe that makes them seem bigger. The Nitron/Nitro are designed to open more stable than most ellipticals, maybe that's what makes them more docile. I've done terrible things to my Nitron packing and have proven it wants to open on heading, even with only one brake set. The Stilleto required more effort at the end of the opening sequence to inflate the end cells/fix the linetwists, but it wasn't bad. The Stilleto had much lighter front riser pressure. The recovery arcs are similar. I think the Nitron/Nitro fly a little longer at low speed. I almost never run out a landing on my Nitron unless I'm landing downwind.

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[OverTech 0]

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Or is it a slight difference in measuring technique that means it actually is just bigger?

As explained to me by Beezy Shaw, the Nitro has more lift than most other canopies of the same size because of the "winglets". As a canopy flies, it has a certain amount of air flowing over the topskin. Some of that air flow gets wasted because it spills over the edges of the canopy on the side. The winglets on a Nitro channel more air over the topskin instead of letting it spill over the sides, which creates more lift than canopies without winglets. You can see the same principle on some aircraft (like the Boeing 737 for example).

I don't know, nor claim to know, anything about aerodynamics or parachute design. That's just the explanation he gave me when I bought my Nitro.

Dave

[phoenixlpr 0]

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I don't know, nor claim to know, anything about aerodynamics or parachute design. That's just the explanation he gave me when I bought my Nitro.

Cobalt is said to fly big too without winglets.
Winglets said to be hype by others.

[champu 1]

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I've done terrible things to my Nitron packing and have proven it wants to open on heading, even with only one brake set.

If your canopy opens on heading with only one brake set, there's something wrong with it.

[genghis 0]

To start, I am not a parachute designer, but I am educated in aerodynamics and flight physics. From a fundemental aerodynamics standpoint, the stabilizers on a wing should perform the same function. The airflow is actually in the reverse direction from your post. Air will naturally flow from an area of high pressure to low pressure. The higher speed over the top of a wing will create a low pressure area (the fundemental reason for lift). the phenomena described is a vortex. the High pressure air on the bottom of the wing naturally will "cheat" around the side of the wing by going around the tip of the wing instead of maintaining the pressure and creating lift. this is what creates the vortices off the wingtips of a plane you see flying through fog or a cloud. On a wing like a parachute, when that airflow beats back down on the top of the wing, it breaks up the low pressure, reduces lift, etc. The stabilizer should be breaking that flow of air from bottom to top more so than any little inflatable tube on the top of the end cell.

Once again, I am not a parachute designer. I don't know but would be curious how the ram air and fabric skin aspects of a parachute wing might change the practical application in a parachute.

[mar.rei 0]

I´m Jumping since few years a Nitro 88 with wingload 1.7 and i´m realy happy with that canopy.

And yes it is true the Nitro fly 1 size bigger than a other canopy in the same size but... this was because of the fabric. Nitros from Hiper has a other fabric as Nitrons from precision aerodynamics. So maybe the Nitrons fly, and turn faster than a old Nitro from Hiper.

The fabric make alot of difference as you can see on the JVX canopies with 0P or all sail fabric.

At the end when i have to chose, i would buy a new Nitron befor i buy a new Stilleto.
The Nitro are not so fast on normal flight like the Stilleto but have a very strong flair and a beautiful, short snivel. A perfect allround canopie for cameraworking every day.

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[stayhigh 2]

I thought Cobalt flew more like stiletto than x-fire..
and i flown all three...

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