Front Riser Pressure

[goose491 0]

Hello all,

Common problem here, riser pressure increasing to the point where I can't hold 'em down.

I jump a Samurai loaded roughly at 1.2:1. I start a 180 just below 400ft. I used to use only the one riser to start the turn. Now I get on both of them right away to build speed then initiate the turn by letting one up a bit and increasing pull on the other. I negotiate between the two a bit during the turn if I think I'm going to come out too soon or too late but I seem to always be coming out of the 180, hauling on both risers and barely keeping 'em down for the pressure.

My question is this. If I start from deep breaks, will the riser pressure be diminished at all? To me it seems it should. Also, what would starting my 180 from deep breaks do to the dive itself? There will be more speed to gain before normal flight... so does it affect the time it takes to recover? What about the altitude loss before recovery? IOW, should I consider changing the initiation height if I'm going to try starting my 180 from slow flight?

Thanks,
Nick

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[davelepka 4]

Your riser pressure is high because your wingloading is low. Thats alot of canopy you're trying to muscle around.

Your jump numbers are also low. Others like you have been killed or seriously injured by rushing into swooping.

[goose491 0]

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Your riser pressure is high because your wingloading is low. Thats alot of canopy you're trying to muscle around.

Your jump numbers are also low. Others like you have been killed or seriously injured by rushing into swooping.

Thanks for the concern. I'm in no rush. But I'm doing 180s and I'm asking questions about riser pressure.

I realise riser pressure will decrease with a smaller canopy but that's not really the solution I'm looking for.

The last part of my post. That's where my questions are... You know, about the deep breaks?

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[ManBird 0]

I agree with both of Dave's comments. At 170 jumps, I agree that you really shouldn't be concerned with more speed just yet, and you're underloading that canopy for what you want to do with it. Furthermore, starting with double fronts on any canopy is going to yield a lot of pressure. Generally, one does a front riser turn, and only goes to double fronts for adjustments after the turn.

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[ianmdrennan 2]

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Generally, one does a front riser turn, and only goes to double fronts for adjustments after the turn.

You'll see a a number of competitors use a braked approach to lighten the front riser pressure, get on the double fronts (helped by the canopy diving after letting up the brakes), initiate the turn by easing one up a bit and then leveling off the double fronts again for a smooth release. You will eat up more altitude

edit: To the original poster...being this aggressive this early isn't a good idea. There is nothing wrong with learning more about it though. I'd sugggest refining the smaller turns first.

Blues,
Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

[goose491 0]

Thanks Steve,

I'm not 'concerned' with more speed though. Let's try a more straight forward approach:


Is anybody on here willing to tell me the effects of starting my turn from deep-breaksas oppose to normal flight ????

-what does it do to the riser pressure?
-what does it do to the recovery time?
-what does it do to the altitude lost during the dive recovery?

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[ManBird 0]

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You'll see a a number of competitors...

Which is why I said, generally.

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[goose491 0]

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You'll see a a number of competitors use a braked approach to lighten the front riser pressure...You will eat up more altitude

Ahhhhhh
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.

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edit: To the original poster...being this aggressive this early isn't a good idea. There is nothing wrong with learning more about it though. I'd sugggest refining the smaller turns first.

Ian do you mean 180 riser turns when you say "this aggressive"? Or do you mean the swoop you described from breaked approach? 'cause I'm very comfortable with the 180... I thought a breaked approach would ease the riser pressure a bit but was wondering what it would do to speed and altitude loss... I'll definately take my time.

Thanks

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[AggieDave 6]

If you think about the effects on the canopy when going into deep brakes then letting it fly you'll answer your own question.

Basically everyone is very relunctant to tell you due to your statement that you're "only doing 180s" and you have VERY low jump numbers for those sorts of approaches. We also know that if you did your homework and did canopy flight up high testing out different configurations, then you'd already be able to answer your own question.

Not trying to flame ya, just trying to keep yet another person from planting their ass into the ground. I've seen too many.

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[ManBird 0]

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Is anybody on here willing to tell me the effects of starting my turn from deep-breaksas oppose to normal flight ????

-what does it do to the riser pressure?
-what does it do to the recovery time?
-what does it do to the altitude lost during the dive recovery?

Do a high pull and find out up top. These questions are hard to answer without experience on your canopy at your wingloading and your technique.

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[goose491 0]

Thanks Aggie,

[touches nose] I read ya

... but I never said "Only" about the 180s... I'm doing 180s and I take 'em very seriously.

I understand the reluctance to inform people on HOW to kill themselves... but if the question is "Will I kill myself if...?"

Oh well, I won't try to understand it.

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[Yoshi 0]

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Generally, one does a front riser turn, and only goes to double fronts for adjustments after the turn

actually I start in deep brakes, go to double fronts. let one side up for heading, then go back to double fronts if neccesary for altitude....

lets me start my urn a bit higher and build the speed a little slower...

just my 2 ones

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