diablopilot 2 #26 April 29, 2004 QuoteI never understood that one. If you put the rubberband on the ball on the rig, you dont need to modify your canopy at all. I think you misunderstood what I said. I did not suggest modifying the canopy. The system with the ball is the one I don't like. I have heard/seen 3 people who have had excess brake line snag on the ball. I prefer the Velcro System (attaches to the yoke, wraps around the slider, and velcros back to it's self) as it doesn't have the snag factor, and will release easily in the event of a cutaway, plus it tucks behind the rig in freefall. The ball/bungie system does seem to work sucesfully for many though....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #27 April 29, 2004 Ahh so your saying the excess was snaged on deployment of the risers past the ball. Hmmm, sounds nasty. Ill keep my excess stowed. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #28 May 6, 2004 Just got back to this thread and read the information after my post. Can you please pass on the bad points of rolling the shit out of the slider and putting it in your mouth. I can't possibly see how it restricts my vision as it is the thickness of a twinkie or less and how can it come out, i keep pretty good control of it and have never even felt it slip or begin to inflate or anything. The recent Eloy crash you are talking about, was it just stowed under the chin? I actually chomp on it and it seems to work fine. Again just looking for all the information, and not playing devil's advocate. ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #29 May 6, 2004 QuoteCan you please pass on the bad points of rolling the shit out of the slider and putting it in your mouth. They've already been covered. Anything that COULD come up in front of your face isn't a good idea. Others have died or got hurt doing it and I bet every one of them didn't think it'd pop up in their face. If it's that important to keep it all bundled up then there have been other (safer) methods described here. Other than trying to look cool, there isn't anything that you accomplish putting it in your mouth that you can't accomplish another way. I'd venture a guess that the miniscule performance hit would only be measurable when you're getting every last drop out of your canopy (and we all know most of us don't - hell even the factory teams get it wrong occasionally) QuoteI can't possibly see how it restricts my vision If you're chomping on it, how can you look around behind you? Ugg, not to mention all the saliva you're putting all over it all the time. Pretty gross (but not a safety hazard unto itself Stay safe. Blue ones, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ffejdraga 0 #30 May 7, 2004 in addition to ALL the bad points previously discussed, one of them is discussed HERE I think the simplest answer is the best answer, and in this case, the simpleset answer is to have a rigger install some Slider Locks("slocks") on your FRONT risers. You collapse the slider, and then pull it down, locking it in place. There IS NOTHING SIMPLER than slider locks jeff D-16906 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #31 May 7, 2004 QuoteThere IS NOTHING SIMPLER than slider locks Thank you for your opinion.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #32 May 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere IS NOTHING SIMPLER than slider locks Thank you for your opinion.Dude, it's in all caps, and is therefore a fact. I'm only using slocks, as far as stowing devices go. I was tucking the slider under my helmet a bit, but gave it up for eighteen jumps this past weekend per Mr. Germain. It doesn't affect performance and IF it stays 100% deflated, it's not an issue. However, it needs to very taught between the risers to always stay deflated. I can't always get that really wide riser separation because of the type of webbing on my Wings' chest strap. For flying wingsuits and tracking, I don't want the type that slides that easily, and I generally wear it "freefly tight". In this situation, my slider partially inflates even after collapsing it and getting everything under the slocks. I put the front grommets under the slocks, and then the rear grommets under the front grommets so that the slocks hold everything down. But when the slider partially inflates, it can often have enough drag to pull the one or both rear grommets out from under the front ones. This blocks my vision on the side or sides that the grommet escaped. This can be bad news in any sort of traffic. I already have the toggles in my hands by the time this problem occurs (I grab them after everything is secured down), so I don't see any major control system issues occuring. The only one I envisioned was MAYBE pinning a couple inches of brake line up above (but outside) the ring, but even that could be fixed with a flare (just pulls the grommet down below the ring). The slocks would prevent the slider from going up too high to cause any real issues. Long story short, I strongly believe that tucking a bit of slider under the back of my helmet would not inhibit a cutaway at all. In picking the lesser of two evils, I'm going to have to go with my previous method. Not recommending it or saying that it's right, but this is my personal decision... for now."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmfreefly 0 #33 May 9, 2004 Quoteyour FRONT risers Why do you emphasize FRONT? As in not BOTH? or as opposed to REAR only. I have slider blocks on both my front and rears on my risers. It is a bit trickier to get them on the rear risers, as they have to go around the hard housing. But, I think it does a better job of keeping the slider from inflating. Am I missing something? j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ffejdraga 0 #34 May 10, 2004 you are not missing anything. I said that to clarify from ealier when someone had posted that they had the slider locks on the rear risers, which doesnt help at all. so, I was saying front as opposed to rears. jeff D-16906 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ffejdraga 0 #35 May 10, 2004 yep. IMHO. but, so far, i havent seen anything that meets the following criteria: 1. Simpler 2. More effective and 3. Safer IMHO. jeff D-16906 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ffejdraga 0 #36 May 10, 2004 QuoteHowever, it needs to very taught between the risers to always stay deflated. I can't always get that really wide riser separation because of the type of webbing on my Wings' chest strap. For flying wingsuits and tracking, I don't want the type that slides that easily, and I generally wear it "freefly tight". i guess i dont understand this, because if you loosen you cheststrap after you have opened, it wouldnt matter how tight your chest strap was in freefall. You can also have a longer chest strap installed if you need to. collapsed slider, pulled down over my slider locks with chest strap all the way loose, the slider is no factor. here is a pic of it... jeff D-16906 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #37 May 10, 2004 Quotei guess i dont understand this, because if you loosen you cheststrap after you have opened, it wouldnt matter how tight your chest strap was in freefall. You're right. What I was trying to say earlier is that it is VERY difficult if not damn near impossible to loosen my chest strap once the canopy is open. Otherwise, I would be loosening my chest strap more regularly (I can get it sometimes)."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #38 May 10, 2004 Quote...it is VERY difficult if not damn near impossible to loosen my chest strap once the canopy is open. Otherwise, I would be loosening my chest strap more regularly (I can get it sometimes). Just rotate your shoulders forward. This brings your front risers closer together and takes the tension off your chest strap so that you can loosen it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #39 May 10, 2004 Quotethat it is VERY difficult if not damn near impossible to loosen my chest strap once the canopy is open I've found the easiest way is to take the tension off the chest strap by reaching across (with your left hand on a Wings) and pulling the harness together - then use your free hand to open up the chest strap's friction adapter and let it all out. Works a treat for me and makes a big difference. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #40 May 10, 2004 QuoteI've found the easiest way is to take the tension off the chest strap by reaching across (with your left hand on a Wings) and pulling the harness together - then use your free hand to open up the chest strap's friction adapter and let it all out.I'll give that a shot. Rolling shoulders forwards/together generally isn't enough (no offense to raymod2). Maybe I'm just a wuss. Oh, yeah... I am. Almost forgot. "¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #41 May 11, 2004 I have an easy method: my hair. It's in a pony tail with several rubberbands down it, 80's style, to keep from tangling. And I just twist my slider and stowe it under my pony tail. then I pull the gromets all the way down into the V of my risers, and pull the material in the corners through the back so any little flapping material is behind me. it works quite well, but I guess that doesn't help most of you boys. peace lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markbaur 0 #42 May 11, 2004 Quote"Slocks" or slider locks, when located at the bottom of the front risers, do hold the slider down all the way quite effectively. Brian: At Z-hills a couple months ago I saw a rig with your Slocks installed, but neglected to see exactly how they were made. Do you have a short description (Type 8, Type 12; stiffener if any; if doubled; how folded; how sewn; size/width; etc.) that a guy could use to fabricate his own? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bskyz 0 #43 May 11, 2004 I'll chime in here because I just had Brian show me how his were made last weekend... It's dacron (the thickest one) which is finger-trapped into itself (to make it thicker), and bartacked (to make it less flexible). He has two-inch pieces sewn on two inches up from the split in the riser. It was the best system I've seen to date (I'm a big fan of K.I.S.S.), and my rigger agreed. He made up a piece approximately three feet long in order to be able to do a bunch of rigs. And Brian -thanks again for your time last weekend, I'm still trying to absorb all the information! edited to add: I'll post pictures when I pick up my rigs next weekend... Blue ones Dave My site... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianSGermain 1 #44 May 11, 2004 YOu need to remove the spanwise tension on the chest strap in order for the friction adapter to let go. This can be done by pushing the main lift webs together. As for slocks, here is a basic description: Directions for Making “SLOCKS” (Slider Locks) Just take a piece of 500-700 lb Dacron and finger-trap it inside itself, at least a foot long. That way you can make a bunch at once. Then zig-zag or bartack the whole thing to stiffen it. Mark the line in 2 inch increments, and cut with sharp scissors. Then melt the ends with a lighter. You can hot-knife the line instead, but this often creates an ugly end with a big bulb on it. Next, bartack or zig-zag the SLOCK onto the inside of the front riser, 2 inches above the crotch in the riser. If your sewing machine is having trouble making nice stitches through all that bulk, just sew it from the other side. It is usually the bobbin side that gets messy, not the needle-side. Good luck!Instructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
