jasonatokc 0 #1 April 13, 2004 Thank you all for your valuable time and blue skies Jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonatokc 0 #2 April 13, 2004 o yeh i have many jumps on raiders and f111 170s back in the day almost 380 jmps or so QuoteJason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jasonatokc 0 #3 April 13, 2004 im sorry guys/gals I should have got all this at once but at work right now :( basically im looking for input from people that jump batwing and jumped a saber 120 or 135 esprit ect.. o yeh i got one jump on a monarch 135 too and 2 or 3 on a saber 135 and a couple on a 120 if you have jumped a batwing 134 or know thanks for the input :)Jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #4 April 13, 2004 *sigh*... 1.44 is a heavy loading on a first canopy back from a long lay off. Is there any chance you could jump something larger to get used to flying a canopy again? In terms of the canopy with out knowing how you used to fly its hard to tell you what you need to consider, but the Batwing is a fully elliptical canopy. It was a PA model that was flown against the Stiletto, both are very elliptical. How did you swoop before? Toggle turns? Riser turns? A lot has changed in just the last 5 years on high proformance landings and what is needed to safely complete them. Let us know more and we can give better advice. Swooping something like the Espirt is totally different then jumping a modern canopy, and the Batwing is far from modern. Its an mid 90's design that was'nt exactly the best opener or swooper built.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jasonatokc 0 #5 April 13, 2004 yeh I dont plan on hooking it in any time soon just straight approch into wind i can practice up in the sky but you hit the nail on the head the batwing would be the first eliptical i jumped better hook up the esprit 120 or 135 for a while huh?? i do 90's w/ depends on canopy 2-10 inches on the front risers not enough to slow it down seem to have that down ok baby steps back in teh summer time :) get my jump legs back :) let off canopy naturally starts to level out (i hear the batwing does that to pretty good and has a good flare and is a good canopy after it opens lolJason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #6 April 13, 2004 I put a couple hundred jumps on a Batwing 134, and then about 600 on a Stiletto 120 mostly at exit weights arround 195 pounds (180-205). The Batwing wasn't as sensitive to control input and had a shorter recovery arc than my Stiletto, but turned about as fast. It's closer to a Stiletto than a Spectre or Sabre. Switching to one after a lay-off and/or without a few hundred jumps on modern gear would not be the best idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites iowa 0 #7 April 13, 2004 A lot of the people "hooking it in" weren't planning on hooking it in either. It's often a response to a surprising situation followed by a surprise in how the new/different canopy reacts that hurts you. You need currency, practice and the patience to make reasonable progressions. Some good coaching helps a lot too. Keith ''Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.'' - Ernest Hemingway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites murps2000 86 #8 April 14, 2004 I have a few hundred jumps on a Batwing 134. I thought it was a decent canopy for its day, but there are better to be had. Still, at 1.4 WL, I think it would challenge most intermediate level canopy pilots out there that often seek out more modern designs. It's dated technology, but still worthy of respect. It will dive if you want it to. Be careful with it. Also you should note that if you tell other jumpers you fly a Batwing, it's very unlikely that they will think you are cool, despite whatever risk you may incur. Instead, they will probably look at you funny. In fact, like some that I have met, they may be unnecessarily cruel. Good luck and godspeed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #9 April 14, 2004 Splatwing? Got a few jumps on a couple of them a couple of years back. My take is that they don't like straight in approachs to flair decently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BrianSGermain 1 #10 April 27, 2004 The best advise I can give you is: Take a canopy course from Scott Miller or Myself. There is more to learn about this sport. Bravery is not what saves us but information. There is also a good book on the topic: The Parachute and its Pilot Rushing down to a small eliptical canopy following a long lay off does not sound remotely prudent. The ground is really hard, and death really permanent. Please don't fool yourself into thinking that this sport is safe.Instructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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jasonatokc 0 #3 April 13, 2004 im sorry guys/gals I should have got all this at once but at work right now :( basically im looking for input from people that jump batwing and jumped a saber 120 or 135 esprit ect.. o yeh i got one jump on a monarch 135 too and 2 or 3 on a saber 135 and a couple on a 120 if you have jumped a batwing 134 or know thanks for the input :)Jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 April 13, 2004 *sigh*... 1.44 is a heavy loading on a first canopy back from a long lay off. Is there any chance you could jump something larger to get used to flying a canopy again? In terms of the canopy with out knowing how you used to fly its hard to tell you what you need to consider, but the Batwing is a fully elliptical canopy. It was a PA model that was flown against the Stiletto, both are very elliptical. How did you swoop before? Toggle turns? Riser turns? A lot has changed in just the last 5 years on high proformance landings and what is needed to safely complete them. Let us know more and we can give better advice. Swooping something like the Espirt is totally different then jumping a modern canopy, and the Batwing is far from modern. Its an mid 90's design that was'nt exactly the best opener or swooper built.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonatokc 0 #5 April 13, 2004 yeh I dont plan on hooking it in any time soon just straight approch into wind i can practice up in the sky but you hit the nail on the head the batwing would be the first eliptical i jumped better hook up the esprit 120 or 135 for a while huh?? i do 90's w/ depends on canopy 2-10 inches on the front risers not enough to slow it down seem to have that down ok baby steps back in teh summer time :) get my jump legs back :) let off canopy naturally starts to level out (i hear the batwing does that to pretty good and has a good flare and is a good canopy after it opens lolJason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #6 April 13, 2004 I put a couple hundred jumps on a Batwing 134, and then about 600 on a Stiletto 120 mostly at exit weights arround 195 pounds (180-205). The Batwing wasn't as sensitive to control input and had a shorter recovery arc than my Stiletto, but turned about as fast. It's closer to a Stiletto than a Spectre or Sabre. Switching to one after a lay-off and/or without a few hundred jumps on modern gear would not be the best idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iowa 0 #7 April 13, 2004 A lot of the people "hooking it in" weren't planning on hooking it in either. It's often a response to a surprising situation followed by a surprise in how the new/different canopy reacts that hurts you. You need currency, practice and the patience to make reasonable progressions. Some good coaching helps a lot too. Keith ''Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.'' - Ernest Hemingway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #8 April 14, 2004 I have a few hundred jumps on a Batwing 134. I thought it was a decent canopy for its day, but there are better to be had. Still, at 1.4 WL, I think it would challenge most intermediate level canopy pilots out there that often seek out more modern designs. It's dated technology, but still worthy of respect. It will dive if you want it to. Be careful with it. Also you should note that if you tell other jumpers you fly a Batwing, it's very unlikely that they will think you are cool, despite whatever risk you may incur. Instead, they will probably look at you funny. In fact, like some that I have met, they may be unnecessarily cruel. Good luck and godspeed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #9 April 14, 2004 Splatwing? Got a few jumps on a couple of them a couple of years back. My take is that they don't like straight in approachs to flair decently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianSGermain 1 #10 April 27, 2004 The best advise I can give you is: Take a canopy course from Scott Miller or Myself. There is more to learn about this sport. Bravery is not what saves us but information. There is also a good book on the topic: The Parachute and its Pilot Rushing down to a small eliptical canopy following a long lay off does not sound remotely prudent. The ground is really hard, and death really permanent. Please don't fool yourself into thinking that this sport is safe.Instructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
