Sabre 2 Front Risers

[MarkFoster 0]

Does anyone have experience with a Sabre 2 loaded at about 1:3 - 1:4 compared to another canopy at the same loading? I have to full brake then hang with full weight on front risers to get any significant action. I don't know if this is representative of the canopy in general or just mine.

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[AggieDave 6]

In my experience with Sabre2s (190/170 loaded at about 1.3/1.4-1.7-ish) the front riser pressure has been fairly light. Similar to what the front riser pressure is on the same size Stiletto.

I've had no problem pulling the front riser down on any of those canopies while in full flight. You might want to check the length of your brake lines.

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[Roel 0]

My experience with the Sabre 2 is one whole jump and landing (not always garanteed in my case to land the same canopy I jump...).

Very nice canopy, responsive on toggles and light on front risers.

Not sure if this might be caused by your brakelines. I have a lot of jumps on a Triathlon with deep brake settings (CReW competition set-up) which does not have an effect on front riser pressure. You might want to check the line length against another same sized specimen.

It is also likely that your experience is influenced by your frame of reference. What canopy did you jump before this one?

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[Kris 0]

I got to fly a Sabre2 190 (loaded at 1.35:1) a couple of months back while my Stiletto was getting repaired and because I wanted to check it out for a BM canopy. I had it for two weeks and put about 9 jumps on it.

I found the front riser pressure to be light as well, just a tad bit easier than my Stiletto. I had no problems pulling either riser. The technique I use is to raise my hip on the side of the harness I want to pull the riser on, transferring the weight to the other side. Occasionally, I will also use 1/4 brakes depending on how I am setting up, but usually hip input is all I needed on either canopy.

I'm just a newbie swooper however, so there are probably better techniques, that's just what seems to work for me.

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[ccowden 0]

I had a Sabre2 120 loaded at about 1.7 and I absolutely loved everything about it! Performed amazingly!

I'm not saying you should run right out and downsize, but I think the Sabre2 gets better as it is loaded.

[AggieDave 6]

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I think the Sabre2 gets better as it is loaded.

Yeah, to a point, obviously. Although nicely loaded (even moderately loaded) you can definately swoop the piss out of them.

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[ManBird 0]

My Sabre2 is also loaded at about 1.7, and I have about 150 jumps on it. The consensus for any loading, though, is that the front riser pressure is very light. It is VERY light on mine. Even 720s are a breeze. You're doing something weird if the front riser pressure is high.

Are you trying to do a front riser TURN or just do double front risers? While pulling the front riser down on one side is very light and effective, I can do pullups on my front risers if I go for both of them in full flight. Even after a front riser turn, going to double fronts (usually to correct a high turn) can be very tough, but still give you a crapload of speed.

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[MarkFoster 0]

Thanks to all for the comments.

My reference is a Sabre at about 1.1.

Single riser pressure is less but, still seems signficant. Double risers, even after full brakes to unload the canopy, is a pullup exercise. Steering lines do have slack in full glide (about 3 inches to tension).

[AggieDave 6]

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Steering lines do have slack in full glide (about 3 inches to tension).

But, are you deflecting the tail when you pull the front risers? If you are, in my experience, then the riser pressure will be higher and the canopy might buck a bit.

Also, in my experience, the factory brake settings from PD (although a good overall setting) usually need to be let out a bit so not to deflect the tail (much or at all) when doing front riser turns.

There is a downside to letting out the brakes, though, you have to find a happy medium between tail deflection and flare power.

Chat with one of the riggers and/or swoopers at your DZ, I'm sure they can help you out with this and help you out with your canopy skills.

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[GravityGirl 0]

How long are your risers? Was the harness built for you? Might have to do with your reach...

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[MarkFoster 0]

I think I'll have someone with experience on another canopy jump it next time out to see if is me or my perception or the canopy. (ps. no tail deflection that I could see). Thanks again for the comments.

[MarkFoster 0]

Riser reach is fine and the harness was measured for me. Thanks for the comments.

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[darkside212 0]

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