wolfies11 0 #1 November 6, 2002 I'm looking to get a new canopy and am thinking about the safire 2.I currently am jumping a falcon 300.out the door at 280lbs.I was thinking of a safire in the 260 range.how much harder are they to land than a falcon?I'm tired of the brisk to hard openings on the falcon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsoutar 0 #2 November 6, 2002 Big guy at my drop zone jumps one and loves it. He loads it at 1.2 so you may want to test jump a couple of sizes to get one you are happy with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #3 November 6, 2002 QuoteI'm looking to get a new canopy and am thinking about the safire 2.I currently am jumping a falcon 300.out the door at 280lbs.I was thinking of a safire in the 260 range.how much harder are they to land than a falcon?I'm tired of the brisk to hard openings on the falcon. The openings would be much nicer and you would have to learn a smooth two stage flare to land it nicely. Landings thenare great. However, the largest Safire is a 229. That is what I jump and I mass about the same out the door. However, that is too much of a change in canopy to take on at once. Icarus can make canopies other than their standard sizes, but they will not give you the 30 day gaurantee with them. Have you considered a Triathlon 260? They do not make them stock anymore, but will make one on request, and there are more than a couple out there. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #4 November 6, 2002 QuoteHowever, the largest Safire is a 229. They will build them as large as you want. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #5 November 6, 2002 QuoteQuoteHowever, the largest Safire is a 229. They will build them as large as you want. Hook Did you read the rest of that sentence? Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #6 November 6, 2002 QuoteDid you read the rest of that sentence? It sounded as though, to me anyway, that you were saying they would build one any size smaller than 229. Just wanted to clarify, no dis-respect intended. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #7 November 6, 2002 PD makes the Sabre2 in sizes up to and including 260. Sabre2 is a nine cell "semi/slightly elliptical or tapered", much like the Safire. Best way to determine which canopy is right for you is to jump a number of different ones. Both PD and Aerodyne (mfr of the Triathlon) will send you a demo that you can jump for a couple of weekends. May be a bit more difficult to find a Safire2 that large to jump, but give Icarus a call too; they may be able to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #8 November 6, 2002 QuoteI'm looking to get a new canopy and am thinking about the safire 2.I currently am jumping a falcon 300.out the door at 280lbs.I was thinking of a safire in the 260 range.how much harder are they to land than a falcon?I'm tired of the brisk to hard openings on the falcon. i jump safire2-149 loaded around 1.4. i love the canopy. very smooth and responsive the same time. opens very soft. too soft as for me. i tried to replace the slider for smaller one, but it'd been taking so long to get it from icarus that i gave up. glide ratio is amazing. it just keeps flying. landing (flare) is a little different from sabre, since there is more range of motion for breaks involved. but i can't say that i don't like it. very short recovery arch and often positive. if i hang on front riser and let go, the canopy flattens itself very quickly. 90 degrees carving tursn should be permormed fairely low because of that and it makes it a little unsafe. 180 are much smoother, canopy loses more altitude and it gives more margin of error. very nice canopy. since i'm gaining weight (bodybuilding) and i'm upsizing myslef, i don't think i will be changing the canopy any time soon. stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #9 November 6, 2002 QuoteQuoteDid you read the rest of that sentence? It sounded as though, to me anyway, that you were saying they would build one any size smaller than 229. Just wanted to clarify, no dis-respect intended. Hook Oops, upon rereading I see how that may have been implied so let me restate it: The largest standard size Safire Icarus makes is a 229. They will make tham any size you want, but non-standard sizes do not come with their 30-day guarantee. Actually that policy applies to all Icarus canopies, not just the Dafire. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #10 November 6, 2002 QuoteThey will make tham any size you want, but non-standard sizes do not come with their 30-day guarantee. Did this change? When I bought my crossfire 116 in 2000 Simon said that if I didn't like it I could send it back. Hmmm....Maybe it had something to do with the size, cause when they took it back due to the recall they had it resold within 3 weeks.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #11 November 6, 2002 Your 116 was not that far off a standard Icarus size, so I'm sure Simon had no qualms about selling it if need be. But really stange sizes, particularly much larger than standard, are another animal entirely. Can't say I blame them, not too big a market for the oversized linens. You had the right idea, if you want something a bit different,it is best to talk directly with Simon. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #12 November 6, 2002 Quotei tried to replace the slider for smaller one, but it'd been taking so long to get it from icarus that i gave up. stan. funny, i bitched about it and in half an hour i got a package with my new slider ! :) stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #13 November 7, 2002 Simon is sending one to me now. John Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #14 November 7, 2002 QuoteSimon is sending one to me now. John a slider or a canopy ? -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfies11 0 #15 November 7, 2002 Thanks for the imput.Talked to icurus today and they recommended a 230 for a wing loading at 1.2 I have jumped a 7 cell at that loading but landings werent real good seemed like the angle on final was very steep and the flare had to be timed just right.although I did stand it up about 8 out of 10.I think I'll contact icurus and see if I could demo a 230.If you like the canopy do you have to buy the demo they send or can you order one in the colors you want?thanks Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsoutar 0 #16 November 7, 2002 Should find the 9 cell easier to land when you get used to it as the angle of attack is more shallow - so you will get more glide and have to step down a little later than on the 7 cell. You don't normally buy the demo (although you could try to do a deal) - if you like it you order a new one in your own cool colour scheme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #17 November 7, 2002 QuoteThanks for the imput.Talked to icurus today and they recommended a 230 for a wing loading at 1.2 I have jumped a 7 cell at that loading but landings werent real good seemed like the angle on final was very steep and the flare had to be timed just right.although I did stand it up about 8 out of 10.I think I'll contact icurus and see if I could demo a 230.If you like the canopy do you have to buy the demo they send or can you order one in the colors you want?thanks Dan i couldn't get demo of safire2 at the time i wanted to buy it, because icarus didn't sell it yet. i talked to Simon and he convinced me to buy and try it. and if i didn't like it i could return it. even with custom colors. i got my canopy it in may before official release. pretty happy with it. as for landings, i had a reserve ride on pd143r last sunday. my safire-149 seems to be so much faster then 7 cell reserve. but i had very nice landing on pd-143r :) stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #18 November 11, 2002 Slider for a quicker opening. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #19 November 12, 2002 QuoteSlider for a quicker opening. i got safire-129's slider for my safire-149. i didn't have a chance to jump it, but it doesn't look much smaller. stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
