End Cell closure and immediate Right turns

[beavdog 0]

I bought a used Sabre 210 about a month ago. On nearly every jump I get some end cell closure and an abrubt 90 right turn. I thought the turn might have been caused some packing abnormality, but I have packed and jumped other rigs with no problem. I have it loaded at about 1.2 and it has about 300 jumps since last reline. Has anybody ran into this sort of thing or have some advive.

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[bobsoutar 0]

I would get it checked by a rigger before you jump it again. It could well be a problem with the brake lines and/or settings.

[beavdog 0]

I have had him look at it and he said as far as he could tell it looked fine. Actually my brake likes are a little long...ie I cant completely stall the canopy.

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[AggieDave 6]

If your brake lines are really long, then that could cause odd openings, but it probably would be that consistant.

If I was going to say it was anything, I'd say it was packing (this being said with out actually seeing it, etc). Describe how you pack it. Have you asked the previous owner about it? Are you sure your legstraps are even, are you sure you're symetrical in the harness when you dump? Is it both sides or one side that is getting the closer?

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[skygod7777 0]

i would geuss the right turn is caused by the endcell closure. and the endcell closure is just a thing that happens with that canopy at 1.2 wing loading. i was jumping a xaos 27 78 sq ft. at a wing loading of 2.4 and got endcell colosure, now i didn't have to do anything to get it to inflate, it did it on it's own. but it would take a couple of extra seconds after the slider was all the way down.

later

[beavdog 0]

I do a normal pro pack. Stow the brakes, do my line check, gather nose and shake the canopy out. I then tuck nose between my legs and pull slider over my shoulder. I count and collect all A, B, C, D, and brake lines, and center them. I then pull the nose out and roll the outside 4 cells towards the center the same number of rolls, leaving the center cell alone. I then push the nose gently into the center of the canopy. I then bring the slider down, make sure it is completely unstowed and quarter it. I next bring up the center cell and wrap it around both sides. I then roll it, usually about 10 times, making sure not to pull any lines around. I then set it all down carefully, s-fold it,cock pilot chute, and put it in the dbag. I stow lines using about 1.5 in stows. I single stow all locking stows using a long band in the middle and small bands on the rest of them. I leave about 18-20in unstowed. I then set the dbag behind the container and place my risers and close the tuck tabs. I next lift the dbag and push the excess line to the corners of the container and neatly fold the remaining line. I then close and fold pilot chute.

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[AggieDave 6]

I sometimes get end cell closer and unpredictable openings if I pack rolling the nose like that. Although, with an orginal Sabre, that may be the only way for you to get a decent opening, depends on the individual canopy.

Are you setting the second brake line that is on most Sabre 210s? It sets at the attatchment to the canopy, not at the risers. Do you even have the 2nd brake line (some 210s don't).

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[bobsoutar 0]

Long brake lines wont make any difference to the openings (although I would shorten them enough to stall the canopy). The critical length is the length from canopy to where you set your brakes when packing - this can make a big difference to your openings.

[beavdog 0]

im not aware of setting a second brake line. I have never seen that. what do i look for and how would i do it if i have that feature

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[AggieDave 6]

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feature

hehe..."feature"

Anyways, if you have a second brake line, it is very noticable, two brake line running to each toggle. Have a rigger show you how to attatch the rubberbands and how much of the line to fold and put in the bands. I could try to explain it, but I don't think I could do a very good job in text with out pictures.

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[JYorkster 0]

I agree with some previous replies that it is probably due to the packing, but there is a little more involved.

When rolling the nose, even if you THINK you are doing it perfectly, there is always the possibility of rolling one side more than the other. This is usually the result of using the same hand (probably your dominant hand) to roll two separate directions. It just isn't even. This is compounded by the speed of the opening. If you are having end cell closure, I'm guessing the openings are fairly slow. (Just a guess)

Try this...don't roll the nose at all. Pack as normal and just push the nose in as you described but without rolling it. I know some people are afraid of doing this with Sabres, but I have about 400 jumps on a Sabre and I never roll the nose. (I am loaded about 1.1) I have consistent soft, on-heading openings.

Let me know how it goes.

Rock

[slotperfect 7]

Assuming you have microline, try this:

-use REGULAR rubber bands for your locking stows

-use MINI rubber bands for your regular stows

Lemme know if it works for you like it did me!?!?!?

Arrive Safely

John

[beavdog 0]

Yes, I do have pretty slow openings. I have always been a little leary of not rolling the nose because of the fear of getting slammed, but I guess its worth a shot.

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[beavdog 0]

I do have that second brake line. I havent ever really stowed it. The guys at the dz said I could if I wanted to, but didnt have to. Does it really make that much difference?

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[AggieDave 6]

It could, although there are arguements and examples going both ways.

Most importantly, focus on your body position when you deploy.

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