dgskydive 0 #1 September 19, 2003 After reading Bruno's thread I asked him the question "Why would you want to jump such a high wingloading?" I will ask everyone the same thing. If I am correct. The wingloading he is jumping at has no real prupose. The canopy is way overloaded and all he is doing is taking away from the performance, thus making it harder and much more dangerous to land. Is there anyone else out there that does or wants to jump this high a wingloading?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #2 September 19, 2003 I'd jump something like that after working down to it, simply to prove to myself that I could do it and for the experience of jumping it. Would I jump something like that regularly? No, I enjoy distance and horizontal speed way too much . I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with a qualified pilot jumping something like that, but I can't imagine it being worth it for too long. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #3 September 19, 2003 I imagine that negotiating other people's pattern would be tricky... I would love to go to altitude and open right out the door and fly around to see what it's like, but landing it doesn't interest me at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #4 September 19, 2003 QuoteI imagine that negotiating other people's pattern would be tricky... Probably feels a lot like dodging canopies in freefall Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #5 September 19, 2003 That is the point of swooping. The speed and the distance. He is getting some speed but no distance, and the speed seems like it would be more downward then anything with that much of a wingloading.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #6 September 19, 2003 yeppers We do have a pilot who's more interested in downward speed than distance at our dz. Can't figure it out myself but to each their own I guess. In the meantime I'll be happy covering football fields Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #7 September 19, 2003 I wanna jump the 21sq ft Xaos that is out there. From altitude of course and chop before landing. It would be an awesome experience. With my exit wieght that would be about almost 11.2 on the wingloading.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #8 September 19, 2003 Quote21sq ft Xaos Can you imagine how crappy that thing must open...but hell yeah what a ride it must be. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #9 September 19, 2003 I heard that all you have to do is just start thinking about a turn and it just goes. I want to know the vertical speed of the thing. At 11.2 a bet it would be pretty damn fast to say the very least. Hmmmmm, should I wear my Dytter?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 September 19, 2003 Talk to Valdi about the Velocity and the Wingsuit jumps. He was flying a loading above 3:1 and he might be able to explain extreme high wingloadings and swooping.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #11 September 19, 2003 QuoteThat is the point of swooping. The speed and the distance. He is getting some speed but no distance, and the speed seems like it would be more downward then anything with that much of a wingloading. He can fly it any way he wants. However Luigi can swoop the 46 coast to coast and then some at the perris pond, so it's not the wingloading. As for the orignal question.. I'd LOVE to fly a 55 for the fun of it. I'd stick to my 78 for the most part but if i had a 55 it would be flown exclusively now and then. The simple answer is, for the novelty of it. I've flown a 70 VX and a 69 VX. Knowing what I do now about the Xaos, I want to try what ever size they'd let me... For the fun of itMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 September 19, 2003 You know... you could just call a certian midwest jumping family up and see if one of the guys would send you their canopy for a weekend or two. You know that they are all jumping stuff your sized or smaller by now I think one of them is jumping a 55 as a regular canopy at a good wingloading. GroundZero lurks and some times posts... hint hint. I'd like to see video of you on the Xaos 21 21. And no cutting it away either!Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #13 September 19, 2003 From what I hear they don't have it up there anymore. At least that is what Diablopilot says. He has been talking to Chris about getting down here for us sometime soon. I'll let ya know if we get it.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #14 September 19, 2003 QuoteI'd like to see video of you on the Xaos 21 21. And no cutting it away either! You really don't like me do you My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #15 September 19, 2003 Should we start collecting metal to melt down for your new femur rods?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #16 September 19, 2003 QuoteShould we start collecting metal to melt down for your new femur rods? Can't we just by it from the hospital?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #17 September 19, 2003 >"Why would you want to jump such a high wingloading?" Cause he can't afford a wingsuit? (J/K) I think people have the right to do any damn fool thing they want, as long as they don't risk anyone else's life doing it. People regularly do zoo free-fly jumps, jump canopies that are too small for them, BASE jump at sketchy sites, jump when the winds are 35mph etc. By the same token, other people have the right to give any other jumper a piece of their mind if they see them doing something foolish. In fact, I think it's their civic duty. We all do foolish things; a good many skydivers smoke and drink, and where's the sense in those things? >Is there anyone else out there that does or wants to jump this high a >wingloading? I'd do it just to experience it, and learn what an overloaded canopy flies like. I'd want the perfect day and the perfect load etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #18 September 19, 2003 Way over priced at the hospital. Plus they ad on extra expenses, like making sure it is steril. That shit is for sissies! We all know that real skydivers aren't sissies. Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #19 September 19, 2003 "a good many skydivers smoke" Hey was that a personal attack? You just go ahead and have that case of beer sent over hear buddy!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #20 September 19, 2003 He can fly it any way he wants. However Luigi can swoop the 46 coast to coast and then some at the perris pond, so it's not the wingloading. ------------------------------------ This is a totally inaccurate statement. I spoke with Luigi when I was at Perris and asked him why he didn't use his 46 on the speed runs. He answer was and I quote (indirectly because I don't remember exact words) " The 46 would fly very fast and give me an advantage in that sense but it would not surf long enough to complete the full 220 foot course." Since I have managed to surf the entire 220 foot course on my 70 but know from experience that my 55 can not go for 220 feet, I can relate.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #21 September 19, 2003 I'll look for a video but here's the extreme website http://www.icaruscanopies.com/canopies/EXTreme_VX/EXTremeVX46.htm Swooping apparently doesn't interest you do don't think I'm knockin ya... Fly how you wish. Edit... cuz I hit post reply instead of /urlMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #22 September 19, 2003 QuoteHe can fly it any way he wants. However Luigi can swoop the 46 coast to coast and then some at the perris pond. ------------------------------------ This is a totally inaccurate statement. Ok... Right click this link and save as. ftp://ftp.skydivingmovies.com/public/icaruscanopies.com/vx46pondswoops.ram Sorry but you need Real Player to watch it. He does slide but heck so do I on my 78. As I said earlier, fly it how you wish. I'd like to fly it sometime.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #23 September 20, 2003 QuoteI've flown a 70 VX and a 69 VX. Did you notice much (if any) of a difference between the two canopies? 1 square foot doesn't seem like it would make a difference, but maybe when it gets that small it does? Just curious.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #24 September 20, 2003 No difference but the 69 opened better... not good.. just better.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #25 September 20, 2003 QuoteQuoteHe can fly it any way he wants. However Luigi can swoop the 46 coast to coast and then some at the perris pond. ------------------------------------ This is a totally inaccurate statement. Ok... Right click this link and save as. ftp://ftp.skydivingmovies.com/public/icaruscanopies.com/vx46pondswoops.ram Sorry but you need Real Player to watch it. He does slide but heck so do I on my 78. As I said earlier, fly it how you wish. I'd like to fly it sometime. --------------------------------------------- The funny thing about videos is that even though they offer proof, people can be stubborn enough to watch it and still keep repeating the same thing. The link you post is the core of my arguement, when it comes to graceful lands. It clearly displays him running on every landing except on the ones where they cut it and go to the next one. (keep in mind that its normal to post the best they have to offer and cut what is not as good) It also shows that as he is sprinting away his canopy is dropping behind him. Bella proves my point even more. She looks at my pictures and starts by suggesting that if there was a 7th that it would have shown me falling. So I post a 7th and then she stays quiet because apparently she sees that her assumption was false. Then afterwards she decides to attack my video. Well being available to the general public its kind of hard to make people believe I have no foward movement. So she tries to suggest that if there was video of the same landing as shown in the pictures you would see me plant right down as if I was flying a round. When people get so stubborn about simple outright proven facts the disscussion becomes futile. For that reason this is my last post on the matter.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
