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I don't think that's the point at all. But offering unsolicited advice should be handled carefully. When it is not requested, the person could take it the wrong way, and you could certainly say something that is going to piss them off enough to screw up their concentration.



Well, personally, as an S&TA with a pair of balls, I don't care if it hurts someone's feelings or not if I have to talk to them. The bottom line is that they will listen, or I ground them until they fix their problem or attitude. It's plain that some people will have their feelings hurt, but that is a part of life. Deal with the problem, then get over it. Some people carry a grudge, others learn from it and get their shit together.

These particular comments aren't targeted towards any particular person; they apply to everyone who finds themselves in such situations.

Chuck Blue
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I'm not saying that it's safe; what I am saying is that it could still piss someone off to give unsolicited advice.



I don't care about pissing the guy off...I care about him not getting hurt/killed.

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Safe? It depends on the individual.



How? If it is unsafe it is unsafe...If it is safe it is safe.

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Perhaps they already know that they've done something that was wrong
and they don't want to hear it again. Perhaps it's like pouring salt in an open wound.



Then maybe they will listen REALLY well.

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So, the point is that, if you're going to give unsolicited advice, make sure you do it in a welcome way,
because that person, who is on the ground when you're telling them what they did wrong, is going to go back
up in the air, and if they are angry or their concentration is broken, it is NOT BS that it can be a dangerous
situation.



If the person does not have the emotional maturity to not skydive mad, or let a distraction such as a "unsolicited advice in an unwelcome way"...Then they should not be jumping.

Again its BS to think that a guy is going to be MORE dangerous because he was talked to.

Ron
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Well, personally, as an S&TA with a pair of balls, I don't care if it hurts someone's feelings or not if I have to talk to them. The bottom line is that they will listen, or I ground them until they fix their problem or attitude.



But having that attitude is different also. I'm talking about someone who knows when they make a mistake and doesn't necessarily need somebody to beat them up about it. There is also a difference between qualified advice from an S&TA and someone who just feels that they know more than you. Most S&TA's, I feel, will NOT approach someone (unless they have a skygod attitude) in a way that would cause any issues with that person. Besides, a lot of the people giving advice may have a bad attitude, perhaps worse than the person receiving the advice! Just a personal thought.


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I don't think that's the point at all. But offering unsolicited advice should be handled carefully. When it is not requested, the person could take it the wrong way, and you could certainly say something that is going to piss them off enough to screw up their concentration.



Well, personally, as an S&TA with a pair of balls, I don't care if it hurts someone's feelings or not if I have to talk to them. The bottom line is that they will listen, or I ground them until they fix their problem or attitude. It's plain that some people will have their feelings hurt, but that is a part of life. Deal with the problem, then get over it. Some people carry a grudge, others learn from it and get their shit together.

These particular comments aren't targeted towards any particular person; they apply to everyone who finds themselves in such situations.

Chuck Blue
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As an S&TA that is your job. And when S&TA's are chosen, this kept in mind. I.E. to choose somebody who intended to honestly care about the jumpers at a certain dropzone an therefore offer them useful advice.
I for one have no problem with my S&TA or for that matter with any S&TA from any dropzone I have jumped at. (I have jumped at more than 20 different dropzones and in 4 different countries.) The issue here is with people who are not S&TA's and who often do not even have a clue what they are talking about because there experience in certain jump discipline or sometimes even in jump numbers is such that they couldn't possibly know. My point was to consider situations when this becomes repetative and aggravating to the point that it is counter productive. S&TA's I believe are ussually chosen based on the fact that the person making the choice knows that this person knows when to talk and what to say. Unfortunately not everybody at the dropzones has a natural instinct to make this distinction. In that case it is often better for them to simply mind their own business.
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"To think that a jumper with less jump numbers has nothing valid to say to you is extremely cocky"

When someone with less dives than me gives me advise, and they have 500, 1000, 2000 or 3000 dives, I may listen, but not act.

When someone with 100 dives gives me a tip for a better swoop - I tell him to fu*k off.

t
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"i downsized 50^2 on my 3rd AFP jump."

Was that a 29% downsize?

t
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that depends on what the actual canopy sizes are. Rgroper was talking about going from a 170 to a 120. 50/170 = .29 hence a 29% downsize. If it was from a 250 to a 200 then it would be 50/250 = 20%. (slightly more reasonable.)

Percentage will tell you more about differences to expect than actual squarefootage numbers. But just as well with enough information you can quickly come up with the percentage given all the numbers.
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