BMFin 0 #26 June 29, 2003 Quote I thought a smaller canopy of the same design will suffer from turbulence at a greater degree than the same canopy in a larger size? I believe its the other way around.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #27 June 29, 2003 Quote I thought a smaller canopy of the same design will suffer from turbulence at a greater degree than the same canopy in a larger size? I think that is a universally true and accepted principle. I guess its the 'confidence-inspiring' aspect of this canopy I'm referring to. So far, I would prefer the stability of a samurai (same size) in turbulance to this Cf2. Thats all: and note its my only complaint, and a relatively minor one. Maybe someone else has a similar opinion/experience? I'm just wondering if bumping up my wingload (not downsizing) might smooth it out a bit. I had good results on my stiletto using this technique (adding weights.)-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #28 June 29, 2003 Sarge. Make sure "if you aren't already" that you pull your slider down and loosen your chest strap. That feeling you are referring to in chop should go away if your chest strap is long enough. I got my new wings with 8 extra inches and let it almost all the way out. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #29 June 29, 2003 Quote In Reply To ------------------------------------------------------------ I thought a smaller canopy of the same design will suffer from turbulence at a greater degree than the same canopy in a larger size? ------------------------------------------------------------ I believe its the other way around.. Actually, I took that as meaning the smaller canopy becomes more twitchy and smooth clean inputs become that much more critical. The larger canopy will flutter more and remain in turbulance longer but it will be more resiliant and recover better in bad ju-ju. The larger end cells also have better chances of reinflating than smaller ones. The smaller canopy demands more skill to maintain control.-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #30 June 29, 2003 Quote That feeling you are referring to in chop should go away if your chest strap is long enough. OMG!! No shit! Getting a new (longer) chest strap was the first thing I planned to do when I first got this container!! And I just put it off... until now. Hey, thanks, I appreciate the heads-up bro.-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #32 June 29, 2003 how effective is loosening the chest strap once it is already loosened to being somewhat slack? i.e. I have a very big chest strap for my size torso I can loosen it til it is slack but still have a lot of slack. Is this good enough? I assume this is for turns, when the risers pull in opposite directions, and the chest strap is the one inhibitor. Right? --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #33 June 29, 2003 All I can tell you is mine is VERY slack. I do it for 2 reasons. First to let the nose of the canopy form properly or flatten out. Second, I like to be able to lean forward in my swoop. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #34 June 29, 2003 the more you talk about it, the more I realize my chest strap does constrict me. I guess its not that important jumping a manta 290, with a non collapsible slider, non collapsible PC, but its a good thing to remember when I get my first canopy --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #35 June 29, 2003 Quotethe more you talk about it, the more I realize my chest strap does constrict me. I guess its not that important jumping a manta 290, with a non collapsible slider, non collapsible PC, but its a good thing to remember when I get my first canopy Who knows? When I had a Triathlon150 at 1.25 loosening the chest strap made a bit of a difference. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #36 June 30, 2003 Quotebut its a good thing to remember when I get my first canopy Just dont let it get in the way of your traffic negotiation and overall "heads up" status. It is not a necessity but does make a big improvement even on some larger canopies, imho. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #37 June 30, 2003 yeah, I hear that, Im such a nervous dude on the way down. Its probably funny to watch me, my head moving back and forth, up and down. I really dont want a canopy collision. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #38 June 30, 2003 I think that that's backwards... smaller wings penetrate more and "cut" through the turbulence. How you fly your canopy has a lot to do with how change in wind will effect it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #39 June 30, 2003 [QUOTE]I think that that's backwards... smaller wings penetrate more and "cut" through the turbulence. How you fly your canopy has a lot to do with how change in wind will effect it.[/QUOTE] Billvon has a lot to say about this. Looks like we're both right. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=458267;search_string=turbulence;#458267 --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #40 June 30, 2003 QuoteI think that that's backwards... smaller wings penetrate more and "cut" through the turbulence. How you fly your canopy has a lot to do with how change in wind will effect it. Not sure whether this is completely accurate or not? I had a Triathlon150 that would fly through ANYTHING just as good as my crossfire2-97 does. The Diablo110 I had was EQUALLY as stable and penetrating through turbulence. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #41 June 30, 2003 Andy, just because bill von says something doesn't mean he's right...granted he is right ALOT!!!..but not all the time.. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #42 June 30, 2003 thats true, but what he said made a lot of sense to me when I read it. Granted it was one of those things that you had to read a couple times to fully comprehend it Do you think hes wrong in this case? For me personally, I think its neither here nor there, as I am at as high a WL as I feel safe, and would neither downsize, nor upsize based on how turbulence effects my WL. I'll just live with it (hopefully) --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #43 June 30, 2003 I agree with bill von in this case....was just making it a blanket statement for his stuff...I mean even Bill Boothe can be wrong at times.... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #44 July 1, 2003 QuoteQuote I thought a smaller canopy of the same design will suffer from turbulence at a greater degree than the same canopy in a larger size? I think that is a universally true and accepted principle. I guess its the 'confidence-inspiring' aspect of this canopy I'm referring to. So far, I would prefer the stability of a samurai (same size) in turbulance to this Cf2. Thats all: and note its my only complaint, and a relatively minor one. Maybe someone else has a similar opinion/experience? I'm just wondering if bumping up my wingload (not downsizing) might smooth it out a bit. I had good results on my stiletto using this technique (adding weights.) ------------------------------------------------------------ I loaded my CF1 anywhere from 1.7-1.87 depending on weights worn and would fly right through turbulance that was scaring the s$%t out of more experienced jumpers under say Stilletos loaded much lighter. I was demoing a Cf2 during the TSR attempts last year loading it over 2.1/1. It was much faster than the Cf1 loaded a little lighter but seamed more affected by turbulance with much lighter front riser pressure but I think that also had more to do with the trim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #45 July 1, 2003 QuoteAccording to the website, 1.4-2.2 is recommended. A few folks I've talked to said 1.6-1.9 is really good, a couple others were saying that beyond 1.6 you'll loose distance. ------------------------------ Hi Dave, I was jumping my Cf1 @ 1.87/1 and think it was about optimum. I demoed a Cf2 @ 2.1+/1 and felt that was a little high. I got some good surfs but would typically have to run out a good one where I don't on the X-braced. IMO,overloading a non X-braced gives up too much glide. Safe swoops! Conway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #46 July 1, 2003 Hopefully this summer I will get a chance to demo a Crossfire2 149 (loaded at about 1.5) and then if I like it (I'm sure I will), in the fall when I have somewhere between 400-500 jumps I was thinking about possibly buying a Crossfire2 139 (loaded at about 1.6). In your opinion, is loading a Crossfire2 at 1.6 optimal for that experience level? Based on the Crossfire2's performance capabilities, is a 129 even a possibility? Okay I shouldn't say that too loud as I hear the rumbling of the canopy nazis approaching. I'm sure a Crossfire2 139 would give me plenty of zippy performance. I've got what I believe to be good skills with my current canopy in terms of accuracy, standup surfs, crosswind and no wind landings (I've even been forced to do standup downwind/crosswind landings) and I setup virtually every front riser carving approach with a flat turn. My only fault right now (which isn't a bad thing) is that I tend to error on the high side of my canopy's recovery arc. I have taken some canopy training from Hooknswoop as well as from another guy (and there's yet another really experienced canopy pilot in the state who I've talked to concerning more training). So I am trying to approach my canopy progression in a sensible manner. But at the same time I do realize that I put myself at risk by wanting to do high performance landings and in the future with a high performance canopy. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #47 July 2, 2003 I had about 350 jumps when I got my Cf1-99. Everyone at my DZ said I would die under the Cf1 loaded 1.7/1. At 800 jumps, I was jumping a Xaos 85/21cell loading it 2.2. Everyone said once again, adios! I jump over 500 jumps per year and stay so current that people don't understand that I can be so ready to downsize. I have been around canopy NAZI's all my jumping career. The Cf2 is an awsome canopy for a non X-braced canopy, but you must respect the fact that if you are used to jumping a canopy that doesn't stay in a dive like this will,you must be careful! Canopies don't kill, Ignorance doe's! What I would do @ 150' on a Stilleto, I would do @ 200+' on a Cf2, I do @ 400' on my Xaos with more room for error! Good luck and safe swoops! Conway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #48 July 3, 2003 QuoteI would do @ 200+' on a Cf2, I do @ 400' on my Xaos with more room for error! Damn. I am at 1.9+ on my xf2 and dive at sea level from 550 ish feet... Weird. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icarus129 0 #49 July 3, 2003 I jump over 500 jumps per year and stay so current that people don't understand that I can be so ready to downsize. That is very good exsample,But your not the avarage skydiver...In the other hand people with 300 to 400 jumps in a span of 2 or 3 years are jumping double digit canopys that have no business jumping less telling people what to jump and how! But that's a losing battle!!! But as for loadin a X-fire2 most people like to be around 1.6 to 2.0 ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #50 November 12, 2007 i would like to know how does xfire2 performs at WL 2.1? whats about no wind landings at this wingloading? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
CanuckInUSA 0 #46 July 1, 2003 Hopefully this summer I will get a chance to demo a Crossfire2 149 (loaded at about 1.5) and then if I like it (I'm sure I will), in the fall when I have somewhere between 400-500 jumps I was thinking about possibly buying a Crossfire2 139 (loaded at about 1.6). In your opinion, is loading a Crossfire2 at 1.6 optimal for that experience level? Based on the Crossfire2's performance capabilities, is a 129 even a possibility? Okay I shouldn't say that too loud as I hear the rumbling of the canopy nazis approaching. I'm sure a Crossfire2 139 would give me plenty of zippy performance. I've got what I believe to be good skills with my current canopy in terms of accuracy, standup surfs, crosswind and no wind landings (I've even been forced to do standup downwind/crosswind landings) and I setup virtually every front riser carving approach with a flat turn. My only fault right now (which isn't a bad thing) is that I tend to error on the high side of my canopy's recovery arc. I have taken some canopy training from Hooknswoop as well as from another guy (and there's yet another really experienced canopy pilot in the state who I've talked to concerning more training). So I am trying to approach my canopy progression in a sensible manner. But at the same time I do realize that I put myself at risk by wanting to do high performance landings and in the future with a high performance canopy. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #47 July 2, 2003 I had about 350 jumps when I got my Cf1-99. Everyone at my DZ said I would die under the Cf1 loaded 1.7/1. At 800 jumps, I was jumping a Xaos 85/21cell loading it 2.2. Everyone said once again, adios! I jump over 500 jumps per year and stay so current that people don't understand that I can be so ready to downsize. I have been around canopy NAZI's all my jumping career. The Cf2 is an awsome canopy for a non X-braced canopy, but you must respect the fact that if you are used to jumping a canopy that doesn't stay in a dive like this will,you must be careful! Canopies don't kill, Ignorance doe's! What I would do @ 150' on a Stilleto, I would do @ 200+' on a Cf2, I do @ 400' on my Xaos with more room for error! Good luck and safe swoops! Conway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #48 July 3, 2003 QuoteI would do @ 200+' on a Cf2, I do @ 400' on my Xaos with more room for error! Damn. I am at 1.9+ on my xf2 and dive at sea level from 550 ish feet... Weird. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icarus129 0 #49 July 3, 2003 I jump over 500 jumps per year and stay so current that people don't understand that I can be so ready to downsize. That is very good exsample,But your not the avarage skydiver...In the other hand people with 300 to 400 jumps in a span of 2 or 3 years are jumping double digit canopys that have no business jumping less telling people what to jump and how! But that's a losing battle!!! But as for loadin a X-fire2 most people like to be around 1.6 to 2.0 ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swaika 0 #50 November 12, 2007 i would like to know how does xfire2 performs at WL 2.1? whats about no wind landings at this wingloading? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
