crapflinger2000 1 #1 May 7, 2003 Yo... I am a fairly experienced swooper, but having just downsized to a 2.0 loaded Velocity from a mid range loaded Stilletto, swooping is now a completely different proposition... 1) Recovery arc - I have heard much about the "sweet spot". My image of this spot is that you time the dive and gain sufficient speed so that the canopy planes out on it's own. Frankly the only time I have ever experienced anything like this was on my St. when the brake lines were way too short and the canopy was auto-flaring. I have heard from a pretty good swooper that this does not actually happen like this. My recent (albeit limited) experience is that my velocity will continue to dive regardless and tends to confirm his assertion. I can get the dive pretty shallow with enough speed, but I think I will always have to make some input to the canopy to get is flat.... 2) If there is indeed no auto-plane feature built into my Velocity... I take it this is where the advantage of using rear risers as opposed to toggles to plane it out comes in? Please reply in Spanish. I only learned enough English to compose this post. Though I suppose if you responded in English I could have someone translate it for me. Thank you very much. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #2 May 7, 2003 Sorry, I don't know enought Spanish to respond in it... QuoteI have heard from a pretty good swooper that this does not actually happen like this. My recent (albeit limited) experience is that my velocity will continue to dive regardless and tends to confirm his assertion. I can get the dive pretty shallow with enough speed, but I think I will always have to make some input to the canopy to get is flat.... This is correct, sort of... In my experience on the Velocity, it will return to its normal glide rate after a turn given no additional input in a certain amount of altitude (how much depends on the turn- toggle, f-riser, r-riser, harness, etc.)... but to make it fly level to the ground some input is required, either toggle or rear risers. QuoteI take it this is where the advantage of using rear risers as opposed to toggles to plane it out comes in? The advantage of using rear risers to plain out is that they keep the wing in the most speed efficient shape while still changing the glide angle... using toggles deforms the tail and bleeds off speed, rear-risers don't (well, not as much). Hope this helps... Be careful, turn much higher on the Velocity that on the St. JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #3 May 7, 2003 I will further add to Josh's post by saying that even if your canopy doesn't fully recover to a perfectly "horizontal" glide (because you swung so far under your canopy), a good rear-riser swooper only wants to input the minimum amount of tension to get the parachute on plane. That being said, there are an awful lot of people who now swoop to a complete stop on only rears. You also have an incredible amount of "dig" power with your rears on a moderately loaded crossbrace. Very true, you can easilly stall the piss out of your crossbrace with too much input, but man, I have found that I have incredible rear riser power without inducing the dreaded high-speed stall. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #4 May 7, 2003 I have not tried this yet, and plan on getting some practice higher up. One thing that I think will work (I plan to try) is to give rear riser input via pressing outward on the rears, rather than pulling down. (this also seems to work in long spot (running with the wind) cases, as it provides a decent level of tail deflection while not tiring out your "flare" muscles). Thanks for the input, yo. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
