diveout 0 #1 January 23, 2003 I have heard rumors that PD is developing a 27 tri-cell canopy, like a VX or a Xaos 27 -anybody seen or heard anything from down there in Florida? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #2 January 23, 2003 Quote I have heard rumors that PD is developing a 27 tri-cell canopy, like a VX or a Xaos 27 -anybody seen or heard anything from down there in Florida? hmmmm interesting. trouble is, they only test at night jumping out of black helicopters at DeLand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #3 January 23, 2003 They are pretty secrative at pd, here in Deland we dont see anything. Dave is right they only test jump at night out of black helicopters, with black canopies. But to tell you the truth I haven't seen anything. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diveout 0 #4 January 23, 2003 are you guys serious? Black helicopters -only night jumps? Come on really?! If that's the case-I'd hate to be the guy testing the recovery arc on a 70 something canopy that never existed before. How are you gonna test hook turn characteristics at night when you can't see the ground?! Do they jump into a super illuminated area or something- Also, where do I sign up for that job? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 January 23, 2003 Basically, unlike some canopy companies, unless you are VERY in the know, you won't hear a thing about a new PD canopy until the publically announce it. Whats also neat about that is that PD test jumps the ever living snot out of their gear before they release it. Although, I *am* expecting a new mid-range elliptical from them after PIA, something to update the trusty Stiletto, probably something similar in performance to the newer canopies on the market like the Crossfire2--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #6 January 23, 2003 Quote Dave is right they only test jump at night out of black helicopters, with black canopies. Hahaha!!!!! LOL....... Why did they finally run out of pink?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JGarcia 0 #7 January 23, 2003 I was just at PD about a month ago to take a tour with the UF skydiving club and asked Aubrey (sp?) why PD didn't have a 27 cell to compete with the VX and Xaos-27. He basically said that they didn't need to (refering to Shannon Pilcher's record breaking 400+ ft swoop).He said that they had no plans on putting out a 27-cell. HOWEVER, he said they are currently researching/testing a canopy that is so High Performance, that there are only a handful of pilots that are qualified to safely jump it. According to him, the problem with the canopy is that it is so efficient and fast, that they're having problems shutting it down at the end of the swoop. The problem is slowing it down! He said that the technology (nothing seen before...ie. not crossbracing) was still a couple of years away from hitting the market. Now, black canopies out of black helicopters at night? That would be too funny!Cheers! --Jairo Low Profile, snag free helmet mount for your Sony X3000 action cam! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #8 January 23, 2003 I anticipate seeing several new offerings from PD next week at the symposium. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #9 January 23, 2003 QuoteI anticipate seeing several new offerings from PD next week at the symposium. hell, i'm anticipating a lot of new stuff coming out, not only from PD though and if PD is coming out with something new, it should be pretty interesting later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #10 January 24, 2003 27 cell X brace seems about right. Good old PD, in the last few years they have been about 2-3 years behind the cutting edge of the industry. Vengence came out a few years post Jedi Velocity came out 2-3 years post FX Sabre 2 came out 2 years or so after the Safire Specre came out about 1-2 after the Triathalon Shiloette cam out a few years after the Turbo ZX So by looking at the stars a 27 cell is about due. Don't get me wrong. I like PD products (only mains I"ve ever owen, currently have 2 of um) , but in the last several years they seem to have been playing more catch up than being the industry leader they used to be in the Sabre/Stiletto days. I hope Ian's company comes out with some new stuff to compete with PD. Could be very cool. Blue Track/ STiletto cross... yummy Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 January 24, 2003 I want to see what PISA comes out with too, supposedly they're going to have some sort of new hotness at PIA.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #12 January 24, 2003 WOW!!!!! Sounds pretty damned efficient to me. LOL!! Quote the problem with the canopy is that it is so efficient and fast, that they're having problems shutting it down at the end of the swoop Good luck you black-masked dudes and your black helicopitors.... don't forget your PD R... .-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #13 January 24, 2003 I heard something about a really cool "X18" ....BG creation? .-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #14 January 24, 2003 QuoteQuoteI anticipate seeing several new offerings from PD next week at the symposium. hell, i'm anticipating a lot of new stuff coming out, not only from PD though and if PD is coming out with something new, it should be pretty interesting later I had a beer with John Le Blanc tonight and he said that this is the first year that PD didn't have anything to display. (civillian) But PD has never been open about new stuff so maybe they have something out there that is going to be a surprise. And you can guarantee that they have an idea or two on the "next" canopy. But we wont see for a few days. And maybe a few month's. But till then my velocity rocks so Im happy, plus I cant afford to spend a fortune on something new. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #15 January 24, 2003 QuoteI had a beer with John Le Blanc tonight and he said that this is the first year that PD didn't have anything to display. well, let's hope he told ya that just to keep that secret or something. but maybe they only will have military shit coming out. who know. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #16 January 24, 2003 QuoteVelocity came out 2-3 years post FXQuoteQuote The VX was actually a rip off of a PD design that they released in Europe, the Excaliber came out long before the vx. And now every Vx made makes PD money cause they own the patent. ***Specre came out about 1-2 after the TriathalonQuote Ever jump a Spectre and a Triathalon? there is no similarity there. Also The Velocity was Ian's baby, not design but he put a lot into it. ***Shiloette cam out a few years after the Turbo ZX So by looking at the stars a 27 cell is about due. Once again Jumping these canopys will let you see that the similarity goes a lot deeper than cell number's. Appearance. Heck the VX and the Velocity look a lot alike, but there is a lot of difference (The people that have jumped both will testify) both are good and both are different, so who is to say who is better? PD has the current distance record, but Icarus had it before. And who knows who will have it next. ***Don't get me wrong. I like PD products (only mains I"ve ever owen, currently have 2 of um) , but in the last several years they seem to have been playing more catch up than being the industry leader they used to be in the Sabre/Stiletto days. I hope Ian's company comes out with some new stuff to compete with PD. Could be very cool. Blue Track/ STiletto cross... yummyQuote Scroll up, but I doubt aerodyne (7 cell fan's) will have anything to offer soon. But then again this is Skydiving and anyone could come up with a great idea Oh yeah about the looking at the stars a 27 cell is coming out soon. PD. already owns the distance record beaten by a big margin from before. So why put out a canopy for no reason? Maybe if the 27cell Icarus was dominating the competition, then there would be a need for it. Maybe at this level canopy doesnt decide who wins or looses, maybe its pilot? Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #17 January 24, 2003 QuoteMaybe at this level canopy doesnt decide who wins or looses, maybe its pilot? it is defintally the pilot. i mean if you put jc colclasure under a velocity, he'd still be great. if you put shannon pilcher under a vx, he would still be great. same with all of the pd swooping team, and icarus team. if you had them all switch, i'm sure they would still be great. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zlew 0 #18 January 24, 2003 I hate to call BS on you man, but lots of thigns are way off here. QuoteThe VX was actually a rip off of a PD design that they released in Europe, the Excaliber came out long before the vx. And now every Vx made makes PD money cause they own the patent The Excal was a canopy that was a Tri Cell (and could get it in the US). It wasn't ZP..wasn't eliptical and the VX is hardly a "rip off" of the excal... It was ahead of it's time, but PD stoped making it because (from my understanding) it had problems that ZP fabric and more stable lines (vectran/ some sepctre) would later solve. They said it couldn't be done... Icaurs started the EXtreme line, and once it became popular PD pulled out the patent and made them pay. you CAN"T compare a VX to and excal. That's like saying a Sabre is just like a Furry. After precision/icuaus took over the cutting edge with the FX, then PD played catch up and a few years later came out with the Velocity. 7 cell platform, tri cell X brace.... (can you say FX?). Yup, it's pretty much a copy of the FX with a few tweeks. (And yes, the Xaos is a FX copy too, but at lest precision will tell u they used what they learned making Fx's and VX's to design the Xaos line). QuoteEver jump a Spectre and a Triathalon? there is no similarity there. Also The Velocity was Ian's baby, not design but he put a lot into it. Jumped both a lot, and was eually unimpressed. Face it, Aerodyne created the market for the ZP 7 cell, and PD played catch up to get in. They tweeked the design a little (with a slight taper) but it's basically the same beast. Low aspect ratio, zp seven cell. QuoteHeck the VX and the Velocity look a lot alike, but there is a lot of difference (The people that have jumped both will testify) both are good and both are different, so who is to say who is better? PD has the current distance record, but Icarus had it before. And who knows who will have it next. They are two differnt beasts. The velocity is on the 7 cell platform with the lower aspect ratio (same lines as a 7 cell...call it 21 sell if u want. but it's 7 sets of 3 cells.... just like the Tri. is 7 groups of 2 cells). The FX is 7 cell platform as is the Xaos 21. The Velocity was made to catch up with the FX, and looks like an FX (pretty much the same from the ground). The VX and Xaos 29 are on the 9 cell platform with the higher aspect ratio. The 9 cell X braced don't look anything like the more squatty 7 Cell X braced. I never said one is better than the other. I just said that PD isn't on the cutting edge anymore, but they are always playing catch up. All of their recent canopies have been in responce to markets created by OTHER canopy makers. YES, many of the canopies are great canopies and as good or better than the canopeis they were made to compete with. But PD USED to be the company on the edge that everyone else was trying to catch up to. Sabre... Industry standard for almost a decade. Clones include canopes by PISA (what is the hornets counterpart? Cobra?), Monarch, well, the list goes on to include pretty much every canopy maker out there. Same with teh Stiletto (Viper, heat wave, etc. etc. etc.). PD makes good stuff, but they have been way behind the edge. QuoteScroll up, but I doubt aerodyne (7 cell fan's) will have anything to offer soon. But then again this is Skydiving and anyone could come up with a great idea Aerodyne was sold and gutted, and is now run and party owned by 9 cell eliptical guys. with Ian and the Parachutes De Fance guy... it should be cool. Last I heard they are bringing out their new line at PIA. QuoteSo why put out a canopy for no reason? because LOTS of folks are buyin Xaos 29's and VX's, and as usual PD will probably want to try to stay competative in that market. People like the cutting edge more than they do 1996 technology. I don't want to get into the canopy vs. pilot argument,.... but I have a strong feeling that one day PD will try to play with the 29 cell market since they arelosing market share from what they have to offer. skies Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #19 January 24, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- because LOTS of folks are buyin Xaos 29's and VX's, and as usual PD will probably want to try to stay competative in that market. People like the cutting edge more than they do 1996 technology. I don't want to get into the canopy vs. pilot argument,.... but I have a strong feeling that one day PD will try to play with the 29 cell market since they arelosing market share from what they have to offer. skies i assume you meant to say 27 cause no one makes a 29 celllater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zlew 0 #20 January 24, 2003 naw. meant 29... hehe. it's all funny math to me i guess i jump a 18 cell....hehe. don't belive what they teach u in first jump course about how many cells are in a canopy. Its late... my brain is fried..... 27- 29....kinda the same right? Maybe they they will just round the numbers off.... Xaos 20 and 30.... hummm. i'm getting goofy...need sleep... night z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zlew 0 #21 January 24, 2003 by the way, who is Noone, and how long have they been making 29 cells'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #22 January 24, 2003 Quote by the way, who is Noone, and how long have they been making 29 cells'? why, i wouldn't know what your talking about nowlater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #23 January 24, 2003 Quote it is defintally the pilot. i mean if you put jc colclasure under a velocity, he'd still be great. if you put shannon pilcher under a vx, he would still be great. same with all of the pd swooping team, and icarus team. if you had them all switch, i'm sure they would still be great. And if you put Andy, Luke, Jeffro, and TJ under Xaos's what would you have? Oh yeah the winners of the Team Challenge! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ramon 0 #24 January 24, 2003 Quote7 cell platform, tri cell X brace.... (can you say FX?). Yup, it's pretty much a copy of the FX with a few tweeks. (And yes, the Xaos is a FX copy too, but at lest precision will tell u they used what they learned making Fx's and VX's to design the Xaos line). Well, the Velocity is very different formthe FX in that it has more cross bracing (a pattern copied in the VX, but not so in the xaos 21)..the xaos 21 is the same canopy as an FX with different line trim and slight nose mod and the stablisers...but it is the same planform and airfoil and cross bracing). The velocity feels more like a vX in flight (twitchier, more rigid) than an FX. I think it is wrong to say it is an exact copy of an FX (maybe they came out with a ZP cross braced canopy after Icarus) but it is quite different, unlike a xaos which is just mods on an FX just my 2 cents"Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #25 January 24, 2003 Quote And if you put Andy, Luke, Jeffro, and TJ under Xaos's what would you have? Oh yeah the winners of the Team Challenge! ya, them too. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
skygod7777 0 #17 January 24, 2003 QuoteMaybe at this level canopy doesnt decide who wins or looses, maybe its pilot? it is defintally the pilot. i mean if you put jc colclasure under a velocity, he'd still be great. if you put shannon pilcher under a vx, he would still be great. same with all of the pd swooping team, and icarus team. if you had them all switch, i'm sure they would still be great. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #18 January 24, 2003 I hate to call BS on you man, but lots of thigns are way off here. QuoteThe VX was actually a rip off of a PD design that they released in Europe, the Excaliber came out long before the vx. And now every Vx made makes PD money cause they own the patent The Excal was a canopy that was a Tri Cell (and could get it in the US). It wasn't ZP..wasn't eliptical and the VX is hardly a "rip off" of the excal... It was ahead of it's time, but PD stoped making it because (from my understanding) it had problems that ZP fabric and more stable lines (vectran/ some sepctre) would later solve. They said it couldn't be done... Icaurs started the EXtreme line, and once it became popular PD pulled out the patent and made them pay. you CAN"T compare a VX to and excal. That's like saying a Sabre is just like a Furry. After precision/icuaus took over the cutting edge with the FX, then PD played catch up and a few years later came out with the Velocity. 7 cell platform, tri cell X brace.... (can you say FX?). Yup, it's pretty much a copy of the FX with a few tweeks. (And yes, the Xaos is a FX copy too, but at lest precision will tell u they used what they learned making Fx's and VX's to design the Xaos line). QuoteEver jump a Spectre and a Triathalon? there is no similarity there. Also The Velocity was Ian's baby, not design but he put a lot into it. Jumped both a lot, and was eually unimpressed. Face it, Aerodyne created the market for the ZP 7 cell, and PD played catch up to get in. They tweeked the design a little (with a slight taper) but it's basically the same beast. Low aspect ratio, zp seven cell. QuoteHeck the VX and the Velocity look a lot alike, but there is a lot of difference (The people that have jumped both will testify) both are good and both are different, so who is to say who is better? PD has the current distance record, but Icarus had it before. And who knows who will have it next. They are two differnt beasts. The velocity is on the 7 cell platform with the lower aspect ratio (same lines as a 7 cell...call it 21 sell if u want. but it's 7 sets of 3 cells.... just like the Tri. is 7 groups of 2 cells). The FX is 7 cell platform as is the Xaos 21. The Velocity was made to catch up with the FX, and looks like an FX (pretty much the same from the ground). The VX and Xaos 29 are on the 9 cell platform with the higher aspect ratio. The 9 cell X braced don't look anything like the more squatty 7 Cell X braced. I never said one is better than the other. I just said that PD isn't on the cutting edge anymore, but they are always playing catch up. All of their recent canopies have been in responce to markets created by OTHER canopy makers. YES, many of the canopies are great canopies and as good or better than the canopeis they were made to compete with. But PD USED to be the company on the edge that everyone else was trying to catch up to. Sabre... Industry standard for almost a decade. Clones include canopes by PISA (what is the hornets counterpart? Cobra?), Monarch, well, the list goes on to include pretty much every canopy maker out there. Same with teh Stiletto (Viper, heat wave, etc. etc. etc.). PD makes good stuff, but they have been way behind the edge. QuoteScroll up, but I doubt aerodyne (7 cell fan's) will have anything to offer soon. But then again this is Skydiving and anyone could come up with a great idea Aerodyne was sold and gutted, and is now run and party owned by 9 cell eliptical guys. with Ian and the Parachutes De Fance guy... it should be cool. Last I heard they are bringing out their new line at PIA. QuoteSo why put out a canopy for no reason? because LOTS of folks are buyin Xaos 29's and VX's, and as usual PD will probably want to try to stay competative in that market. People like the cutting edge more than they do 1996 technology. I don't want to get into the canopy vs. pilot argument,.... but I have a strong feeling that one day PD will try to play with the 29 cell market since they arelosing market share from what they have to offer. skies Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #19 January 24, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- because LOTS of folks are buyin Xaos 29's and VX's, and as usual PD will probably want to try to stay competative in that market. People like the cutting edge more than they do 1996 technology. I don't want to get into the canopy vs. pilot argument,.... but I have a strong feeling that one day PD will try to play with the 29 cell market since they arelosing market share from what they have to offer. skies i assume you meant to say 27 cause no one makes a 29 celllater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #20 January 24, 2003 naw. meant 29... hehe. it's all funny math to me i guess i jump a 18 cell....hehe. don't belive what they teach u in first jump course about how many cells are in a canopy. Its late... my brain is fried..... 27- 29....kinda the same right? Maybe they they will just round the numbers off.... Xaos 20 and 30.... hummm. i'm getting goofy...need sleep... night z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #21 January 24, 2003 by the way, who is Noone, and how long have they been making 29 cells'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #22 January 24, 2003 Quote by the way, who is Noone, and how long have they been making 29 cells'? why, i wouldn't know what your talking about nowlater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #23 January 24, 2003 Quote it is defintally the pilot. i mean if you put jc colclasure under a velocity, he'd still be great. if you put shannon pilcher under a vx, he would still be great. same with all of the pd swooping team, and icarus team. if you had them all switch, i'm sure they would still be great. And if you put Andy, Luke, Jeffro, and TJ under Xaos's what would you have? Oh yeah the winners of the Team Challenge! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #24 January 24, 2003 Quote7 cell platform, tri cell X brace.... (can you say FX?). Yup, it's pretty much a copy of the FX with a few tweeks. (And yes, the Xaos is a FX copy too, but at lest precision will tell u they used what they learned making Fx's and VX's to design the Xaos line). Well, the Velocity is very different formthe FX in that it has more cross bracing (a pattern copied in the VX, but not so in the xaos 21)..the xaos 21 is the same canopy as an FX with different line trim and slight nose mod and the stablisers...but it is the same planform and airfoil and cross bracing). The velocity feels more like a vX in flight (twitchier, more rigid) than an FX. I think it is wrong to say it is an exact copy of an FX (maybe they came out with a ZP cross braced canopy after Icarus) but it is quite different, unlike a xaos which is just mods on an FX just my 2 cents"Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #25 January 24, 2003 Quote And if you put Andy, Luke, Jeffro, and TJ under Xaos's what would you have? Oh yeah the winners of the Team Challenge! ya, them too. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
