freeflyz 0 #1 January 20, 2003 I demoed a Stiletto and was not impressed at all.It was a 120 i was loading it at 1.7 and it was bit slow,and at top it was snappy in the lower end it sucked,It like if it run out of balls at the end,Doing 270 hooks in the sweet spot,looked like it was going to swoop but ran out at the end ,so i did it again to see if i was pulling on the brake,nope did it again?? So i put a few more and it bored me,I have a 149 Crossfire that has power to spare! hope the Cobalt they send me is not as boring as this stiletto,Has anyone ran into this????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #2 January 20, 2003 Lots of bottom end on that Cobalt. When I had a demo a while back I had to make a fairly concious effort to keep my feet off the ground, I flew that thing to almost dead stop after I got the hang of it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 January 20, 2003 Generally speaking, the demo Stilettos from PD have the brake lines set much too short, this tends to hurt performance and kills a lot of the speed that you would have gotten from a good front riser turn. This is due to the tail being deflected when you go to your front riser(s). It depends quite a bit on the person, too. I've seen some absolutely sick swoops done on Stilettos and seriously crappy swoops done on Colbalts and Crossfires. Same for the otherway around too. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #4 January 20, 2003 The canopy that i had was brand new 0 jumps and i set the brakes,perfect it just did't want to go,even went rear riser and nothing!!!! i like the crossfires,just wanted to see what another canopy felt like!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyboyblue 0 #5 January 20, 2003 I went the other way, from a stilleto 150 to a xf 149. You're too pampered from the xf, better flare, openings etc etc. the stiletto is a totally different canopy. a nice canopy, but I'd never go back to one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #6 January 20, 2003 Funny you should say that. I can get over a foot ball field length swoop out of My stiletto. The Cobalt (comp model any way) does have more lift at the end though. I like em both but prefer landing a heavily loaded cobalt competition. The openings (on that particular parachute I haven't tried different one yet) were fairly brutal which is why I still have my stiletto. Have fun. TimMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #7 January 20, 2003 Quote Funny you should say that. I can get over a foot ball field length swoop out of My stiletto. just to make sure, your saying that you can get over 300 foot swoop on your stiletto?? i do admit, i have scene some good swoops on stilettos, but that seams a bit steep. i'm hoping you are exagurating a bit here.later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #8 January 21, 2003 I jump a velocity 96 and a stilletto 107, and I get great swoops out of my stilletto. I can also do a little different stuff with my stilletto, like land it in the peas almost every time. Not saying that the Velocity is bad but I sometimes get a sick swoop (sick being good) out of the ve while the stilletto is more predictable. Any canopy that you jump will take a while to dail in so its hard to determine how good a canopy is with a few jumps. I put 2 jumps on a small cobalt and my teammate put 60 on the same canopy and loved it. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #9 January 21, 2003 perhaps it's not wise to post right after powering down a double (probably a triple) mocha. If you have some bandwidth look at the video at the upper left under "The build". That's a video of a fairly tame swoop due to the masses of people that were there. Burning Sky <== cool video located there. The canopy is a 97 stiletto with about 3000 jumps on it. I weighed about 155 plus equipment. I can get much more distance than that and even more on a different' parachute. But Still that stiletto swoops quite well. EnjoyMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #10 January 21, 2003 that's a cool video. did you shoot that tandem one too?? later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #11 January 21, 2003 Thanks I'm not sure who shot that one. I'd have to ask the owner of the website. It was an amazing place to Skydive though Tim My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #12 January 21, 2003 QuoteIt was an amazing place to Skydive though ya, it looks pretty cool. like a big demo jump kinda. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #13 January 21, 2003 Quote ya, it looks pretty cool. like a big demo jump kinda. Only better because after landing, people come up and give you things like cookies and hugs and stuff. Gotta watch out for the baked goods though TimMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #14 January 21, 2003 Quote Gotta watch out for the baked goods though why, could you get some "special" brownies with a little something in em to make ya feel good after your doneor what?? later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #15 January 21, 2003 Quote why, could you get some "special" brownies with a little something in em to make ya feel good after your done ..it's been known to happen,... alot. but I'm worthless after the special ones so before just chowing down, I had to ask Good timesMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #16 January 21, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why, could you get some "special" brownies with a little something in em to make ya feel good after your done -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..it's been known to happen,... alot. but I'm worthless after the special ones so before just chowing down, I had to ask Good times oh hell, i got to come to this place just to see it that. it would be funny as helllater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #17 January 21, 2003 We've very succesfully hijacked this thread. Every one should go see that place. No description is possible. TimMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #18 January 21, 2003 Quote We've very succesfully hijacked this thread. yes, yes we have. sorry everyone later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #19 January 21, 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote QuoteWe've very succesfully hijacked this thread. yes, yes we have. sorry everyone Ah that's ok.. it wasn't being used any more :)My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #20 January 21, 2003 I have to agree with Aggie on this. I jump a stilleto and it's no where near the way youdescribe. Good person to PM is Chuck(skymonkeyone) he has sick time under a stilleto and is a Cobalt sponsored swooper. As raw as it sounds, I think it was the pilot and not the canopy in your case. Give it some more jumps."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #21 January 21, 2003 I have a Crossfire2,But was trying to compare a Stiletto to it,The Crossfire BLOWS it away by far!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #22 January 21, 2003 QuoteI have a Crossfire2,But was trying to compare a Stiletto to it,The Crossfire BLOWS it away by far!!! i would have to say that, i'd hope it would blow it away. since the stiletto came out like 10 years ago. and as for the stiletto i am really impressed that it is still being jumped by so many people. that really says something for PD, i mean, a design 10 years old, and still selling strong, that's pretty impressive. but i would have to say, i don't think i would ever buy a stiletto now, just because i like other canopies better, but a couple of years ago, hell ya i would of had one. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #23 January 21, 2003 Ive yet to jump the Crossfire2. I really want to fly it not only to see how much it's improved but to see how FAR it blows the stiletto away and why that statement was made. In my opinion the original crossfire sucked hard! I believe I have enough test jump experience to make that assesment, but really, what the heck do I know. It's not fair to compare a crossfire1 to any thing since it basically was a P.O.S. (I.M.N.S.H.O) It had some good characteristics but no way was I going to fly one. New parachutes are cool. I have had the oppurtunity to jump Lots of parachutes. Stiletto's still rock. I like other parachutes better in some areas but not in others. That's another post all together. This year I plan to jump several types of parachutes so when I decide to finally replace mine, (and I do plan to replace it and not with another stiletto) there will be enough information to make a wise purchase. If it's all about how far I can swoop, I'd make one choice, but that will not be the only reason. LOTS pf parachutes Swoop like a mother fucker. Especially given a good pilot that can actually utilize it's potential. Parachutes have come along ways but some manufacturers sacrifice certain flight characteristics in lieu of others. Sometime it's a painful sacrifice. I don't ever dismiss opinions on a wing but Certainly it needs to be backed up at least a little bit with an.. "I did this, and this happened" sort of thing. I can take those opinions in the air with me to understand why that opinion was given. Yo Freeflyz, how does the Crossfire 2 blow away the stiletto? I believe you and everything but I'd like any input that you may have. I plan to demo one in in a month. Bye for now TMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #24 January 21, 2003 QuoteLOTS pf parachutes Swoop like a mother fucker. Especially given a good pilot that can actually utilize it's potential This is probably the best comment to be made during this thread. A canopy is a canopy, a pilot makes it fly. Different wings have different characteristics, that doesn't make one better than another...each pilot's own flight style DRASTICALLY effects performance on any given wing. I have many hundreds of jumps on both Stilettos and Crossfires (original), both loaded at around 1.8-2.0. I like them both and I think they both kick ass. Each one does something good. I could get more distance out of the Crossfire (which is what I was looking for), but the Stiletto had a much more rapid turn rate and I.M.O. was more fun to fly. This said, I stuck with the Crossfire (before changing over to the Xaos) because I was looking for distance across the ground...simple as that. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #25 January 21, 2003 IF you are so confindent in your Stiletto why not buy other???????T Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
