freeflyswc 0 #1 August 17, 2002 I was wanting some of your opinions on triple risers . what would I gain from a pair on a crossfire loaded at 2.0? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 August 17, 2002 Do a search in the gear and rigging fourm for triple riser. This has popped up a few times and the opinions are nearly the same every time.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #3 August 19, 2002 vern vern vern. I say just stick with what you already fly.. you can get the swoop out of what you already have, and I doubt that the triple risers are going to add all that much to it..but what do I know I dont fly them.. anyways see you this weekend (balloon jumpin time!!! -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #4 August 19, 2002 I would love to get triple risers on my crossfire2, 97 loaded at 1.9.. When I pull down on the breaks their is always a rough "bump" where the break lines connect. Those with triple risers don't have to deal with that. You will actually notice that pulling down on the toggles also pulls down on the rear risers a bit "because of the ring the break lines go through". Everyone I have talked to likes them. I will get some on my rig as soon as I get a chance to do it properly. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #5 August 19, 2002 not to resurect an old thread, but for swooping it is desirable to deflect your rear risers when in brakes. as such i stick with doubles. sincerely, dan<><> www.extremefly.comDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #6 August 20, 2002 Had some did't like them!!! Did't swoop any longer made it shorter by a couple of feet!!! Like Cobaltdan said you get that extra cause your pulling the rear riser a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #7 August 20, 2002 Mental note take. I wonder why the people with triple risers swear by them? The thing I would like is getting rid of that bump "in the lines" as you are applying breaks. I think I would like it anyways?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vidiot 0 #8 August 21, 2002 Rhino, I had the same annoying problem. You might want to try this to get rid of the 'bump': Have your rigger replace your upper and lower steering line by a continuous line which has a short line fingertrapped into it where the two former lines joined. The fingertrapped line should run parallel to the brake line and be tight against the brakeline when the brakeline is pulled tight. This eliminates the two interconnected loops in the brake line which cause the bump but leaves you with an eye to set the brakes. Regards, Klaus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #9 August 21, 2002 That is a hell of an idea.. I'll talk to my rigger.. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #10 August 21, 2002 Yep, Klaus beat me to it. If all you are concerned about is the "bump", then just have a set of continuous brake lines done up. Still, trips do have their place in the market. I still have a set on one of my rigs and love them. They are not practical for people who rear-riser their landings, though, because it just adds another piece of webbing that you might mis-grab while transitioning from fronts to rears, then you have the problem of transitioning from rears to toggles. There is quite a bit of play in trips, so that transition causes another sort of bump. If you do not rear riser at all, then trips allow the tail of your parachute to flatten out more, and to me this does in fact help out. They also give you a lot more options on where to hold your arms and hands durning canopy flight without deflecting your tail. While it is true that rear risers can be deflected during a "normal" flare using standard "double" risers, that advantage only occurs when you flare to the rear or rear oblique. Flaring straight down your main lift webs will not deflect your rear risers. Flaring in this manner will not give you any advantage with trips neither; your hands need to be out to your sides if you want your tail to flatten out with trips. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #11 September 9, 2002 would triple risers be of any advantage if you flare with rear risers first and then go to toggles? hook low flare late freeflyswc (posing as skygod7777) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #12 September 9, 2002 Nobody that I know completes their flare with the rear risers. Everyone transitions from rears to toggles as they approach stall speed. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #13 September 9, 2002 Canopies are designed within certain parameters...where the guide rings are are one of those parameters. the cascades are made such that they come together perfectly in order for the brake lines to come down to the guide rings on the risers. By taking your hands out and flaring on the outside, you are actually flaring the canopy in a different way than it was designed. I have had a couple of people recommend triples to me because I tend to push out when flaring, instead of coming straight down...if I were to get triples, though, I would lose flare power, because even though I would be pushing out, I would not be pulling down on the tail of the canopy. I've jumped triples, but see no advantage to them at all. As far as people swearing by them, there may be some people who like them...look, though, at the competitors that are the most familiar with high performance canopy flight...don't see many, if any, triple risers. I could be completely off base, but those are the main reasons that I don't jump triples. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #14 September 9, 2002 Actually, there are a ton of swoopers still using trips. Hell, I still have a set on one of my rigs. One of the best tangible benefits I loved them for was the increased "feel" during canopy flight. It's hard to explain, but I felt more "accurate" with them. They also lower toggle pressure. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #15 September 10, 2002 The reason I said that is that in my experience seeing the top canopy swoopers, I do not see them jumping triples very often. That may be a regional thing, but I have not seen very many. The advantages that I have heard of are just like you mentioned, the feel, but I have yet to hear any tangible evidence that the performance is really any better. As far as the toggle pressure, that is going to depend on how you are flaring. If you are flaring straight down, then it won't change it at all. If you are flaring to the outside, then it will seem lighter, I think because you are able to involve more of your arm...at the same time, though, you have to take into account the amount of flare you are getting for given input. Yeah, the push out is lighter, but you also have to pull down more in order to get the same response from the canopy. It's really a lot of personal preference, but I still don't see the draw after jumping and studying them. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... 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SkymonkeyONE 4 #10 August 21, 2002 Yep, Klaus beat me to it. If all you are concerned about is the "bump", then just have a set of continuous brake lines done up. Still, trips do have their place in the market. I still have a set on one of my rigs and love them. They are not practical for people who rear-riser their landings, though, because it just adds another piece of webbing that you might mis-grab while transitioning from fronts to rears, then you have the problem of transitioning from rears to toggles. There is quite a bit of play in trips, so that transition causes another sort of bump. If you do not rear riser at all, then trips allow the tail of your parachute to flatten out more, and to me this does in fact help out. They also give you a lot more options on where to hold your arms and hands durning canopy flight without deflecting your tail. While it is true that rear risers can be deflected during a "normal" flare using standard "double" risers, that advantage only occurs when you flare to the rear or rear oblique. Flaring straight down your main lift webs will not deflect your rear risers. Flaring in this manner will not give you any advantage with trips neither; your hands need to be out to your sides if you want your tail to flatten out with trips. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #11 September 9, 2002 would triple risers be of any advantage if you flare with rear risers first and then go to toggles? hook low flare late freeflyswc (posing as skygod7777) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #12 September 9, 2002 Nobody that I know completes their flare with the rear risers. Everyone transitions from rears to toggles as they approach stall speed. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #13 September 9, 2002 Canopies are designed within certain parameters...where the guide rings are are one of those parameters. the cascades are made such that they come together perfectly in order for the brake lines to come down to the guide rings on the risers. By taking your hands out and flaring on the outside, you are actually flaring the canopy in a different way than it was designed. I have had a couple of people recommend triples to me because I tend to push out when flaring, instead of coming straight down...if I were to get triples, though, I would lose flare power, because even though I would be pushing out, I would not be pulling down on the tail of the canopy. I've jumped triples, but see no advantage to them at all. As far as people swearing by them, there may be some people who like them...look, though, at the competitors that are the most familiar with high performance canopy flight...don't see many, if any, triple risers. I could be completely off base, but those are the main reasons that I don't jump triples. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #14 September 9, 2002 Actually, there are a ton of swoopers still using trips. Hell, I still have a set on one of my rigs. One of the best tangible benefits I loved them for was the increased "feel" during canopy flight. It's hard to explain, but I felt more "accurate" with them. They also lower toggle pressure. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #15 September 10, 2002 The reason I said that is that in my experience seeing the top canopy swoopers, I do not see them jumping triples very often. That may be a regional thing, but I have not seen very many. The advantages that I have heard of are just like you mentioned, the feel, but I have yet to hear any tangible evidence that the performance is really any better. As far as the toggle pressure, that is going to depend on how you are flaring. If you are flaring straight down, then it won't change it at all. If you are flaring to the outside, then it will seem lighter, I think because you are able to involve more of your arm...at the same time, though, you have to take into account the amount of flare you are getting for given input. Yeah, the push out is lighter, but you also have to pull down more in order to get the same response from the canopy. It's really a lot of personal preference, but I still don't see the draw after jumping and studying them. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
