fudd 0 #1 August 17, 2002 Hi I started doing frontriser turns at high altitude do prepare myself for learning to hook. It is suprinsingly fun doing 360 frontriserturns. Now, sitting at home I thought, what about pulling the left frontriser and the right backriser. Wouldn't that put you in an even steeper dive turn? I'll try this next time I go up, just want some input on how I can expect the canopy to react. Also I'll love to get some tips about more fun things to try under canopy. -fudd There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyswc 0 #2 August 17, 2002 if you were going to pull on a left front riser and a right rear riser the front riser would make the canopy want to dive left while the rear riser would be wanting to turn the opposite direction and pull out of the dive , not to mention on a high performance canopy it would probrably harder than heck to pull them both and hold them . think about it , some people flare with rear risers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #3 August 17, 2002 Pulling on opposite risers are done all the time for CRW. It creats a sinking morion on the canopy while slightly increasing the speed (at least thats been my perception doing rotations) Btw.. there is no requirement to hook. Its ok to learn the canopy up high but never get presured into high speed manuevers low to the ground unless your life insurance is payed up and you have a will....Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #4 August 17, 2002 When thinking a bit about it that sounds reasonable. Could be interessting, would this give you a shorter spot when comming in for landing? I'm going to be VERY careful learning to hook. First I got to learn how the canopy reacts at different manuevers when I'm still high. When I feel I have good canopy skills I'll start to hook high. and go lower and lower as I'm learning when to hook it. Probably going to do at least 50-100 more jumps before I'm even begining to try the high hooks. I don't want any suprises at low altitude. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyswc 0 #5 August 17, 2002 dont rush it , you'll know when the time is right , and i would suggest getting a different canopy for hook turns . and also yes it would make your spot shorter , but so does hanging in deeeep brakes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #6 August 17, 2002 As soon as I can afford it, I'm getting a new canopy. The reason I jump the PD is because if I buy a new canopy now, I couldn't afford to jump. Trying to save those $$$ as fast as I can. Hook high, Flare early. Ouch! How was that again... There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #7 August 17, 2002 Before you do anything low at all... do a search either in this fourm or the training on "How do I swoop". The progression should NEVER be a hook first. Double fronts should be used for a long time while learning how to deal with the extra speed. Then like a 5 degree carve, master that then like a 20 degree, master that then slowly start higher and hold the turn for a longer time. It should take a good amount of jumps before you get to 90 degrees.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 August 17, 2002 My emergency procedure involves double riser input (front and back) on the same side of the canopy. This yields a quick, but flat turn, with very little forward motion. I've never tried opposite sides (I'd think that would cancel the turn out and make it a sink), but I do know that combining front and rear riser input gives a flat, sinking turn, with no noticeable dive. So, I don't really think it'd be that much fun, in your case. Sounds like a great exercise for learning the flight envelope of your canopy, though. Have fun.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #9 August 19, 2002 i asked keven vetter from soul purpose crw team about that, his comment was that this actually helps to "warp" the canopy. crw dogs use this to slow their forward speed, this helps the person who is coming to dock on them, by slowing down forward speed allows the docker to catch them.if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsoutar 0 #10 September 25, 2002 A Clipper is not a good canopy to hook because it is not eliptical or zp. The manouver that you talk about is used for side slipping in CRW or for maintaining position on the outside of diamonds and offsets. If you start jumping a zp canopy try one after the other (hard front riser immediately followed by release and hard opposite toggle) - you will do a pretty impressive cartwheel so do it very high!!! Clippers are great at quick in-place turms - start at half brakes then bury one toggle (or bury one and let the other one up at the same time - for a more exciting time!). If that hasn't scared you try the same but starting at three-quarter brakes and beyond. Best plan is to pull high, check your alti before and after each manoevre, keep your head to make a smooth recovery and stop trying this stuff out by 2,000'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
