can somebody teach me how to swoop?

[drenaline 0]

What are the techinques I should practice if I want to learn how to swoop? is there a step by step way? should I buy a video? (the country am living there is no canopy control instructor) I accept private msg. if you think its dangerous for others to know.
Main: spectre 150; wingload: 1.13:1, AAD: cypress
I read all the "When Should The Thought Of Swooping....." posts, and I am aware of the risks and the general knowledge I should have/know before trying to even think of swooping.
"Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"
drenaline

[rgoper 0]

i went and looked at your profile, please, do yourself a favor, and get up into the 150-200 jump catagory, and maybe a couple of canopy progressions, before you even attempt this particular type of landing. in any event, be safe...............i forgot to add, one of my first dive masters, who is 4-5 thousand jump sky diver told me when i asked him this very question "when you can explain all of the dynamics to me, then we'll talk about it" it looks easy, but it's not, always seek out the advice of a learned colleague before attempting such high perfromance landings............
Richard
"Gravity Is My Friend"

[billvon 3,100]

>What are the techinques I should practice if I want to learn how to swoop?
Before you even start:
1. Learn to flat turn and flare turn. You can't learn to swoop until you can control your canopy in these regimes. Many jumpers, even jumpers with hundreds of jumps, just flare by bringing both toggles all the way down and hope that the canopy keeps going straight. You have to be able to fly it through the flare.
2. Try front riser and rear riser turns, dives and flares up high. Learn how your canopy recovers from both a higher speed (front riser dive) and a lower speed (rear riser or toggle flare.)
After that, you'll be ready to try a few things closer to the ground.
>if you think its dangerous for others to know.
Actually, I think it's dangerous to _not_ know the above.
-bill von

[drenaline 0]

Yeah Richard you are kinda right, thats why I said that I read all the posts that are on the "thought of swooping" posts. I think I must of asked the wrong Q, what I want to know is what is the progression I need in canopy control if I want to learn how to swoop.
Thanks Bill for the teachings I think you did understand what I was trying to ask.
"Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"
drenaline

[rgoper 0]

i understood the question you asked. go to square one's website, and buy the "fly like a pro" video, it will be very helpful to you. the reason i didn't provide any more information than i did, is because i didn't really want you to be thinking about too many things at once. bill's information is right on, as always, he's a good instructor.your canopy progression should be with the advice of a learned colleague, as i mentioned before, enjoy your sky dives, stand up all your landings, do an intentional off dz landing in a safe area, (with pre-planning, and the s&ta knowledge) and go from there. be safe!
Richard
"Gravity Is My Friend"

[rmsmith 1]

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Main: spectre 150; wingload: 1.13:1, AAD: cypress

The 7-cell Spectre does not have the flatter glide of a 9-cell elliptical canopy. You can certainly swoop one of these canopies, but your timing for flare must be timed just right, and you must have long arms too as these canopies also have a long control range. Be careful out there!

[AndyMan 7]

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You can certainly swoop one of these canopies, but your timing for flare must be timed just right...

That probably isn't very good advice for someone with 30 jumps...
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[drenaline 0]

Don't worry, before I try doing something near the ground am gonna first learn the basics that bill von said, if it takes a 100-150 jumps to learn how to do those things in a almost perfect matter well thats whats gonna take for me to do something near the ground. Am a very patient jumper, I like to learn things safe, I know my limits and before I jump I always talk to the instructors about the posts and theyr opinions, to see if I can do something else, "you never stop learning".
Like I said if its too dangerous to tell then don't write it and if you still wanna share it then private msg me but please do share the basics of learning, the things to practice up high (higher than 1000').
Reason of why I made a post instead of going to the US and get a Canopy instructor and learn it well first of all is money (plane ticket kinda expensive), second is cause there are others that might be thinking like me or are in the same situation but instead of asking and learn the proper way, they just go and try crazy things with no idea and end up broken (me no lika broken bones) or dead (gives bad promotion to the sport and makes family members sad); who knows maybe they will read this post and practice the things up high before trying to hook for the first time at 700'.
Once again I think I made the wrong Q and had to be something like "whats the basic to know before swooping?", some people learn using videos but I prefer using video and asking the experts.
Once again if its too dangerous to write then don't write it.
"Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"
drenaline

[AggieDave 6]

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higher than 1000'

I think by up high, they were talking above 4000', 1000' is fairly low, actually.
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Up higher then a trapeze, I can fly

[drenaline 0]

Thanks Dave, those are the things that are good to know and thats the kind of answers I am looking.
"Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"
drenaline

[cobaltdan 0]

drenelin,
it is never too early to learn good technique and awareness.
my best advice is contained in an old post. do a search and read the following thread on the safety and training forum:
"balance & canopy control exercises"
let me know if it helps.
sincerely,
dan

[DanG 1]

I think the Spectre is an excellent canopy to learn on. No, it will not swoop as far as some, but for a beginner, it will be fine. Also, keep in mind that the person asking these questions is not looking to enter swoop competitions, but just wants to learn a basic foundation of canopy skills. Spectre will do the trick.
And the control range on the Spectre is fairly short, just like on any other PD canopy. Not quite as short as others, but nothing like the way too long (in my opinion) range of Icarus canopies.
- Dan G

[alan 1]

You have some good replies and a nice start. You can also try doing some reading. There are some very good articles here in Dropzone.com that will help guide you. Go here http://www.dropzone.com/safety/articles/ and read everything from the Under Canopy and Landing sections. For a more technical and detailed discussion try this http://www.afn.org/skydive/sta/highperf.pdf The Australian Parachute Federation also has some good reading on their web-site as does Performance Designs. I think that in order to learn to safely do high performance landings, you should have a basic knowledge of the aerodynamics involved in canopy flight so you can understand why your canopy will respond in a certain manner in given flight conditions. It will also enable you to predict, to a certain degree, how your canopy will resond to the control inputs you give it in a variety of situations. Good luck.
alan