jtval 0 #1 October 23, 2002 hey anyone got any suggestions? My left leg strap always seems to want to come undone while Im under canopy. Ive tried different routings but it doesnt help too much. it doesnt come comepletely loose yet(*just once) but Im afraid it will. I can feel it slipping as FLY MY MAIN BACK HOME!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #2 October 23, 2002 another prob- I didnt wanna start a whole new thread-- if I fly with breaks unstowed and no hands...i seem to favor the right side...(drift right) do you think thats b/c Of my leg strap. couldit be Im in need of a line trim. (honestly I think I need the trim)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #3 October 23, 2002 Quote hey anyone got any suggestions? My left leg strap always seems to want to come undone while Im under canopy. Ive tried different routings but it doesnt help too much. it doesnt come comepletely loose yet(*just once) but Im afraid it will. I can feel it slipping as FLY MY MAIN BACK HOME! wash that leg strap in cool water, and rinse well (just the part that you need to get to), check the "teeth" on the grippy thing, is there mud or anything in there? all else fails, put a rubber band directly below the hardware after tightening them. YMMV Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #4 October 23, 2002 Quoteanother prob- I didnt wanna start a whole new thread-- if I fly with breaks unstowed and no hands...i seem to favor the right side...(drift right) do you think thats b/c Of my leg strap. couldit be Im in need of a line trim. (honestly I think I need the trim) if you're worried about that leg strap you could be taking weight off it w/o thinking and causing the right turn. you can measure your lines and rule out an unbalance quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #5 October 23, 2002 cool I'll try that. NO mud but maybe enough dust in the fabric to make it slippery. as far as the rubber band, My straps are as tight as they can get. I think that may be a problem. I was thinking of getting a rigger to adjust the Sleeve so its shorter and I can get a better grip!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #6 October 23, 2002 The floating bar in the friction adapter could be in backwards, or it could otherwise be improperly manufactured. Have a Master Rigger take a look. Otherwise you could call the manufacturer and send it back to them for a look. If it's a manufacturer's defect they should fix it free. Is your leg strap hardware stainless steel?? Asymmetrical harness adjustments, or an asymmetrical body position in the harness could be causing this turn. So the answer to your question is yes - if your left leg strap is looser than the right, it could be causing the turn.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #7 October 23, 2002 yes I have st. steel hardwareMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #8 October 23, 2002 Aggie at sunpath changed the leg straps on my odyssey because they would slip a bit under canopy. Check with the manufacturer of your rig that they havent had similar complaints and have a permanant fix. Johnny Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #9 October 23, 2002 Sliding leg straps, freaky. I have the same prob with my canopy. I get a little drift to the left. I'm no rigger so I don't know it all but the suggestions I've gotten are the possibility of stitches in the canopy getting pulled tight or lines not installed correctly or having stretched. You and I both fly big-ass canopies that don't have as much response to leg strap f-ups, so... That's it here. -doug"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #10 October 23, 2002 Quote yes I have st. steel hardware JT, some of the earlier stainless hardware was prone to slippage. Don't f*ck around on this one, bro. I'd like to jump with you again someday.Call Aggie at Sunpath first thing tomorrow and he'll take care of you! KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #11 October 23, 2002 >My left leg strap always seems to want to come undone while Im under > canopy. Ive tried different routings but it doesnt help too much. Please tell me I got this wrong... There is only one proper way of routing the leg straps through the buckle AFAIK. Routing the strap in a way it was not designed to be routed may cause serious slippage. Falling-out-of-harness serious. Consult a rigger before changing thing in your gear. Please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #12 October 23, 2002 I have a Jav with the similar problem. The straps loosten up when I sit-fly. Rubber bands around the strap up tight against the buckle work well. But the fact that your's is loostening under canopy is more of a concern. Don't screw around with it. Have a rigger check and replace whats necessary ASAP. Your control under canopy is compromised and it puts you at risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #13 October 23, 2002 Quote >My left leg strap always seems to want to come undone while Im under > canopy. Ive tried different routings but it doesnt help too much. Please tell me I got this wrong... There is only one proper way of routing the leg straps through the buckle AFAIK. Routing the strap in a way it was not designed to be routed may cause serious slippage. Falling-out-of-harness serious. Consult a rigger before changing thing in your gear. Please. NO YOU GOT IT RIGHT...I stated it worng though!!sorry for the scare! haha I route them the proper way but once they are routed I tried folding the excess strapp differently to help keep it in the sleave. Kris, Ok I will call aggie! thanks for everyone input! heres a brief desccription of my gear. Jav j5 210 main 176 reserve st.steel hardware. manufactured in april 2001! I will call aggie in the morning but if there are any other instructions/advice you KNOW that may affect me > im always up for taking FREE advice(IMHO its better then Free beer, but its a close margin!)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #14 October 23, 2002 Early stainless hardware was simply the old design made in stainless. Bill Booth did a lot of work on this problem and will be giving a presentation at the PIA symposium in January. The original stainless hardware would slip. The are two solutions. The two piece set of hardware or there is now a redesigned one piece stainless adapter that solves the slipage problem. Bill may chime in here on how to recognize it. I heard the explination but haven't actually seen the hardware so I won't try to explain it. Found an early thread where Bill talks about it. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=215266;search_string=stainless;#215266 TerryI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #15 October 23, 2002 I spoke to aggie, I think ill have to send it in to get new hardware installed. its not a major slip(YET) but I think I will monitor it and try to wait til after the holidays!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #16 October 23, 2002 QuoteI spoke to aggie, I think ill have to send it in to get new hardware installed. its not a major slip(YET) but I think I will monitor it and try to wait til after the holidays! Great idea, wait until the gear nearly fucks you up to have something your aware of fixed. -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #17 October 23, 2002 As the sarcasm above indicates... Get it done BEFORE the holidays if your going to be jumping a lot. Particularly if it's Las Vegas instead of New York because of the effect sand and dirt can have on slipping (increasing it). Uneven leg straps could cause a malfunction by loading the lines unevenly during deployment. And even if they don't slip till the main opens, then you may have uneven leg straps when you try to open your reserve. Yes, I'm being paranoid but it "could" happen.Doesn't make sense to wait if your waiting because your going to be jumping a lot. If your putting the rig away for the winter and just don't want to deal with it till later then that's different. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #18 October 23, 2002 damn, i guess i could have him send the new hardware and pay for the fix! thanksMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #19 October 23, 2002 Both of my legstraps have been doing this too (I?ve only jumped on this gear five times.) I think I?ll have a rigger look at them this weekend. They?re not too bad, but the folded part comes out of the sleeve and they loosen a little. Didn?t seem like a big concern, but I can see how it could get progressively worse. -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #20 October 23, 2002 I'd send the rig to them and let them do it right. Especially if your rig doesn't have hip rings. There are many master riggers that can do it (it requires a master rigger), fewer that can do it right with tracable materials and exactly recreating the factory. That's what UPS is for. If they were going to do it for free then let them. Use the money to ship it. It's too new a rig to have it screwed up. Of course it's easy for me to suggest this, I've got three rigs. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #21 October 23, 2002 Miranda, If your rig has cadmium plated hardware (the stuff that isn't shiny, don't worry. It very well may slip a little. We've lived with that for decades. If it is stainless, then it may be hardware that has a slipping problem. Right now I couldn't be sure I could recognize the newer stuff. I've only heard it described. I haven't actually seen the good and the bad next to each other. Bill Booth was going to post some pictures and a further discussion sometime soon. And a lot of peoples legstraps come out of the keeper tunnels. TerryI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #22 October 23, 2002 Quote Miranda, If your rig has cadmium plated hardware (the stuff that isn't shiny, don't worry. It very well may slip a little. We've lived with that for decades. If it is stainless, then it may be hardware that has a slipping problem. Right now I couldn't be sure I could recognize the newer stuff. I've only heard it described. I haven't actually seen the good and the bad next to each other. Bill Booth was going to post some pictures and a further discussion sometime soon. And a lot of peoples legstraps come out of the keeper tunnels. Terry Good to know. It was just a little disconcerting as none of the student gear I used did that. Thanks. -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #23 October 24, 2002 So I looked and I found it. Don't know if you subscribe to Skydiving. Check out the Aug 2002 issue (#253), page 5. There's an article on slipping harness and what to do about them. One of the solutions mentioned sewing a layer of webbing over the harness webbing that's slipping, so it makes that part thicker. The rubber band was another one. I'll try my best to scan the article and PM you on it. I should have bought the mega-mondo option - the largest scan it can handle is 8.5 x 11. My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #24 October 25, 2002 HEy wlie, Thanks for helping out! and thanks for the advice EVERYONE!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #25 October 25, 2002 >I'll try my best to scan the article and PM you on it. Me too, if you will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
