johnny1488 1 #1 September 30, 2002 I'm looking for mostly girls opinions here but all are welcome. My girlfriend is about 155 out the door and is looking for a canopy that she can actually use the front risers on. Not to hook but just to learn all aspects of flight on her canopy. She is starting to get frustrated that she isnt finding any yet. She was flying a sabre 150 and she just got her Omni 139 but she doesnt want to go any smaller than that. She said she can hardly do a 90 on the fronts of the omni. Im going to be back on the phone with Simon from Icarus tommorow to see what else he can do. She flew a safire2 149 a while back with no real difference. Simon's been more that helpful but I'm afraid he wont have anything for her. She flies ultra conservative and wants to start exploring all the control inputs. By the way I dont think she is particularly weak. Any feedback would be great John Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #2 September 30, 2002 To be honest I was never able to use frontrisers on any canopy until I went elliptical. On my Sabre 135 if I pulled down on both of them doing a pull up I could do it but that was about it. I weight ~120-135 out the door (depends on lead) and I'm jumping a crossfire 104 loaded at 1.2-1.3. I have no problem pulling down a front riser for a full 360 but that is pretty much it after that I'm not strong enough to do any thing else. Other than that the only other canopy I was able to do front riser turns was a cobalt. So depending on her skill level she may want to try one of those. Or do like I did and wait to learn that part of canopy control until she is ready to demo both those canopies.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #3 September 30, 2002 do you have the loops on the front risers? gives a better grip and strength. HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #4 September 30, 2002 QuoteTo be honest I was never able to use frontrisers on any canopy until I went elliptical. Interesting... My wife went eliptical, without really downsizing much. She also remarked there was quite an improvement in the effort it took to use the risers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #5 September 30, 2002 I'm about 150 out the door. On my Spectre 150 I thought at first I couldn't pull the front risers down for long because the canopy would start bucking and I would have to let go at the second or third buck. Then I followed some crew guys and I kinda HAD to use fronts a lot to stay anywhere near them, since they jump 120's & 99's and are way heavier than me. I pulled WAY harder and it instantly became much easier to keep the fronts down, no more bucking. Now I have a Spectre 135 and found the downsizing helped as well. I also have largish diving loops so I can put my whole hand in there, the smaller ones (for a couple of fingers), I can't hold for more than say a 90 degree turn. Also I jumped a Lightning 143 but couldn't reach the diving blocks, forget that, just pulling on risers is WORK :) ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsoutar 0 #6 September 30, 2002 She might like to try the new Faqtor which is made by Paratec. I test jumped one a couple of weeks ago and it has incredibly light front riser pressure. In the meantime she will probably find it easier if she puts the brakes on fairly hard, releases and then pulls down on a front riser. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #7 September 30, 2002 Right, forgot that. Crew guys do that too :) Quick brakes, quick release, quick pull on fronts. And down you go :) ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jceman 1 #8 September 30, 2002 QuoteShe might like to try the new Faqtor which is made by Paratec. I test jumped one a couple of weeks ago and it has incredibly light front riser pressure. In the meantime she will probably find it easier if she puts the brakes on fairly hard, releases and then pulls down on a front riser. I don't believe it is TSOd for use here in the US. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsoutar 0 #9 September 30, 2002 You may be right. It's a brand new canopy from Germany. We have only just got them in the UK 2-3 weeks ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,154 #10 September 30, 2002 >I don't believe it is TSOd for use here in the US. Main canopies do not need a TSO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chachi 0 #11 September 30, 2002 Tell her to slightly flare the canopy first to relieve the pressure on the front risers. Works like a charm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites alan 1 #12 September 30, 2002 A main canopy doesn't need to be TSO'd for use in the US, just the reserve.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jceman 1 #13 September 30, 2002 Quote>I don't believe it is TSOd for use here in the US. Main canopies do not need a TSO. So I had a senior moment, let me rephrase that -- I don't know of any place it is for sale in the US. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #14 September 30, 2002 Thanks for all the replys. She has tried the cobalt and was able to do plenty of turns but had several issues with it that caused her to want to look elsewhere. She has dive loops and tries to use them on all her canopies. the search goes on. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1234hutch 0 #15 October 9, 2002 hi Try rizering tightly down the front of the torso using all the musle groups possible. Work out doing chinups and 'pull downs' to strenghten the back laterals etc.. Its cheaper than buying canopy after canopy. If you are dodging some one flaring and then rizering is a bad tactic. You'll need the brute strength to muscle em down. hutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
dragon2 2 #5 September 30, 2002 I'm about 150 out the door. On my Spectre 150 I thought at first I couldn't pull the front risers down for long because the canopy would start bucking and I would have to let go at the second or third buck. Then I followed some crew guys and I kinda HAD to use fronts a lot to stay anywhere near them, since they jump 120's & 99's and are way heavier than me. I pulled WAY harder and it instantly became much easier to keep the fronts down, no more bucking. Now I have a Spectre 135 and found the downsizing helped as well. I also have largish diving loops so I can put my whole hand in there, the smaller ones (for a couple of fingers), I can't hold for more than say a 90 degree turn. Also I jumped a Lightning 143 but couldn't reach the diving blocks, forget that, just pulling on risers is WORK :) ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsoutar 0 #6 September 30, 2002 She might like to try the new Faqtor which is made by Paratec. I test jumped one a couple of weeks ago and it has incredibly light front riser pressure. In the meantime she will probably find it easier if she puts the brakes on fairly hard, releases and then pulls down on a front riser. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #7 September 30, 2002 Right, forgot that. Crew guys do that too :) Quick brakes, quick release, quick pull on fronts. And down you go :) ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #8 September 30, 2002 QuoteShe might like to try the new Faqtor which is made by Paratec. I test jumped one a couple of weeks ago and it has incredibly light front riser pressure. In the meantime she will probably find it easier if she puts the brakes on fairly hard, releases and then pulls down on a front riser. I don't believe it is TSOd for use here in the US. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsoutar 0 #9 September 30, 2002 You may be right. It's a brand new canopy from Germany. We have only just got them in the UK 2-3 weeks ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,154 #10 September 30, 2002 >I don't believe it is TSOd for use here in the US. Main canopies do not need a TSO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #11 September 30, 2002 Tell her to slightly flare the canopy first to relieve the pressure on the front risers. Works like a charm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #12 September 30, 2002 A main canopy doesn't need to be TSO'd for use in the US, just the reserve.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #13 September 30, 2002 Quote>I don't believe it is TSOd for use here in the US. Main canopies do not need a TSO. So I had a senior moment, let me rephrase that -- I don't know of any place it is for sale in the US. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #14 September 30, 2002 Thanks for all the replys. She has tried the cobalt and was able to do plenty of turns but had several issues with it that caused her to want to look elsewhere. She has dive loops and tries to use them on all her canopies. the search goes on. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1234hutch 0 #15 October 9, 2002 hi Try rizering tightly down the front of the torso using all the musle groups possible. Work out doing chinups and 'pull downs' to strenghten the back laterals etc.. Its cheaper than buying canopy after canopy. If you are dodging some one flaring and then rizering is a bad tactic. You'll need the brute strength to muscle em down. hutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
