ONYX

[rhino 0]

Anyone jump this canopy yet?

Opinions?

Rhino

[rgoper 0]

Rhino:

it's still in developmental stages, and i'm sure Dan, and the Atair team will demo the heck out of it before releasing it, but it sure looks like a "winner" to me. i want one!!

"The Onyx Here"

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[rhino 0]

Damn I am curious as to what that canopy will do??

[rgoper 0]

that makes two of us.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[f1freak 0]

Make it 3.....

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

[ramon 0]

Eric Butz has jumped it at a ridiculous wingloading.

"Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce.

[rhino 0]

Define rediculous??

[cobaltdan 0]

eric butz, brian harrel (and of course me) have jumped the onyx 28 size 95. the onyx 36 (95) is in the sewing que right now and will be completed soon. chuck (if he can deal with such a big kite) is first in line followed by a few of our other pro's.

after we complete our testing demo's will be available to qualified jumpers.

give me a couple months, we are very busy at present.

sincerely,

dan<><>

Daniel Preston <><>
atairaerodynamics.com (sport)
atairaerospace.com (military)

[rgoper 0]

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give me a couple months, we are very busy at present.

Dan:

don't make us cal Icarus! J/K dude!

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[AndyMan 7]

Atair only makes their prototypes in size 95, I think.

Erid looks like a big guy... Probably weighs about 230 plus gear... sounds to me like a 2.6ish wingloading. But that's just a guess.

Personally, I'm more excited about the airlocked/crossbraced thing Brian Germane is coming out with.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[rgoper 0]

i calculated 2:7:1 thats no stretch for eric's abilities. he jumps SDH, pretty good canopy pilot, i'll get there, if i can keep from chopping my brand new COBALT.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[rhino 0]

I'd jump the 95... I wonder what that canopy flies like in comparison to a Xaos or my Crossfire2?

Common Dan, give us some scoop!! lol


Rhino

[PhreeZone 20]

Call Icarus up about the 11 cell crossbraced one they are talking about...

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[rhino 0]

Fill me in?? What is it??

Rhino

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Eric was wingloading that 95 at over 3:1 in gear. He put the first jumps on that prototype. It opened very hard and the brakes were WAY too long, but my monkey brother still decided to land that canopy on the first run, rear risers only. It had very heavy front riser pressure, low rear riser pressure and tons of lift and glide. After playing with the control lines and putting some more jumps on it, he sent it to Bryan. Bryan then had it and put some jumps on it at his more-manageable wingload. Notes were taken, trim was discussed, additional refinement planned, and now, after Dan gets a chance, the second canopy will get sent to me. I really wasn't interested in playing with the first canopy, knowing that there were about to be many changes to the second prototype. As soon as Dan gets it to me, I will wring it out at various wingloads, play with the trim and control lines if need be, then report back to the bat cave.

Chuck
<><>swoop monkey

[rhino 0]

Wow.. So it's REALLY new in development..

Thanks for the post.. Be carefull and let us know how it goes when you fly it...

Rhino

[roq 0]

In last week-end I tried the Onyx 75. in spite having few jumps here it is my opinion:
Container: Racer
Pilot kicks: ZP 24 "
Wind: null
Wing load: 2,36

Construction:
The canopy have a crossed panels (ribs) it is sewn along whole the cord of the top skin and bottom skin without any other vertical rib besides the normal vertical rib in the center cell.
The nose is open, with finishes in triangle and not partial closed like other cross-braced canopys
The platform have to AR 2,7/1 and real volume that I measured is 74,7 Sq ft
I heard that the onyx have a size short lines. Is not true the onyx have a line size similar to cobalt canopys.

Pack: standard propack, with center cell open, 4 out nose cells roll 1/2 turn for inside (not inside the center cell), quartered slider with lip close to the center cell. Well to center the nose and only 2 turns in tail.

I admit that am always a little distrustful as I jump a canopy cross-braced, but Onyx surprised me nicely. Soft opennings, some snivel that demands to drive the canopy in this phase. The bad final "kick in back" and front dive didn't happen, that is normal in some canopys cross-braced.
The opennings is soft like the coventional nine cell zp and the canopy is sensitive to harness inputs.

In flight: Very sensitive canopy
Glide Ratio steep.
Aggressive and a few oversteer in turns.
Very low pressure of front risers

Landing:
For swoop approaches I think is good option to 270 turn to up 600 feet high with it wing load Good swoop and flare very very long with big power bottom lift same with in the wind. With my wing load we can begin a 270 to 1000 feet
Although has an negative and long recovery arch, the canopy levels with a lot of easiness to the minimum input. For big swoop that the canopy need a lot of attention in the transition for the flare because if the input is violent we lost speed that necessary for a long flare.

In summary:
The manufacture and concept is the habitual great quality Atair, very good workmanship and top concept together with the ZP Gelvenor fabric that guarantee a top performance and long life for the Onyx.
I think that this canopy is in the continuation of the modern cross braced canopys and I think that has potential for to compete in the swoop competitions with any current cross braced canopy with top pilot
I am no swoop competitor. It is only my opinion

Roq