SkymonkeyONE 4 #1 July 31, 2002 I wanted to end the "hijacking" of the Infinity thread and get this topic its own, so here it is: Quote As far as I know, only the Wings manual offers packers the option of NOT ROTATING the d-bag on a few of the smaller sizes. All the other manufacturers recommend rotating hte d-bag. To back up Kelly on the packing issue: packing styles can make a world of difference in how a rig looks and feels. I have two tiny rigs, and run into the "do I rotate or not" situation. While it might be "technically" correct to rotate the bag, it's aesthetically and functionally better for me NOT to do so in my application. You see, the main container is taller off my back (by about an inch) than it is long from the reserve tray to the bottom flap. I never rotate the bag on my Odyssey; just stick it straight in with the grommet sticking up. This packs very cleanly and provides a clean snatch for my nine-foot wingsuit bridle. My older XRS has a D-bag that is slightly shorter top to bottom, so it rotates easier. I rotate it sometimes, and sometimes I don't, depending on what I am doing on that dive. I never rotate the bag on a wingsuit jump. Either way, my closing loop and packing style make for a clean appearance. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #2 July 31, 2002 Chuck, your right, it depends on the dimensions of the container/bag combo. Generally, it will be the smaller rigs that can go either way, but as a manufacturer, it is better to recommend rotating the bag on all sizes across the board, rather than "for sizes A-E rotate the bag, but for F-J don't rotate the bag." People already get confused between different brands, so we try to at least stay consistent within our own product.VSE on Facebook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #3 August 1, 2002 Thank you all for the good info. I still think not rotating the bag looked like a great idea - lines and bridle were very clean and the bag was in a better position to deploy. Its too bad there is no way I can do this with my rig. Maybe its time to get a new one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #4 August 1, 2002 Sorry folks, I did not intend to come across as hard-liner in my first post. When a container looks "square" from the side (i.e. it is as deep as it is long) I doubt if it makes much difference whether or not you rotate the bag into the container. As a side note, Tim Overby recently asked me to build him a new main d-bag for his tiny Javelin. He was experiencing way too many off-heading openings on his sub-100 square foot main and the stock d-bag. Tim theorized that the stock d-bag had to turn too many times during the opening sequence. I basically copied the dimensions of his old d-bag, but rotated them 90 degrees when I drew the new pattern. The new d-bag had the bridle attachment directly under the pin when the container was closed. Tim has not had anymore off heading openings with his new d-bag. Rob Warner FAA Master Rigger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #5 August 1, 2002 I think that would help with the initial deployment. I have also moved the stows from the sides of the d-bag to the top of the d-bag. That has prevented a lot of problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maretus 0 #6 August 1, 2002 I've stopped rotating my D-bag with my Stiletto 120 - wings combo. I initially started packing without rotating for bird-man jumps but now I pack that way for any kind of dive. In my abt. 15 "normal" (freefly) jumps with non-rotated D-bag I've experienced significantly less off-heading openings. Don't know if it's the packing or just me but its seems like that non-rotating is the way to go for me.http://www.ufufreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petur 0 #7 August 2, 2002 Hmmm... I'm wondering why not rotating the bag seems to be more convenient for bird-man jumps. In what way, other than body position, does bird-man openings differ from standard openings?--- P. "It Hurts to Admit When You Make Mistakes - But When They're Big Enough, the Pain Only Lasts a Second." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #8 August 2, 2002 In a wingsuit jump, your bridle trails off nearly straight behind your feet, not straight off your back as in a regular jump. Rotating the bag forward (like normal) means that your bag has to do a half flip before it leaves the container. This causes it to flop unneccessarily during deployments and leads to line twists. When jumping a wingsuit, it is CRITICAL that you have a clean, non-spinning opening, especially under a small elliptical. Leaving the bag lines down toward the backpad with the grommet towards your closing pin gives you the cleanest snatch, thus provides better openings. That, plus the fact that the smallest rigs have main containers that favor the "straight in" placement of the D-bag; at least both of mine do. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites