Opinions on the Infinity?

[scottbre 0]

I am soliciting opinions and comments on the Infinity container system. More specifically the Infinity vs. Vector 3. I have heard that it has just as good a system for keeping everything secure until deployment as the vector 3. Please let me know your opinions/experiences. I'm trying to decide what to get, and the Infinity looks like an attractive option considering the price.

Anyone? Bueller . . . Bueller . . .

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[PhreeZone 20]

The Infinity uses a closing method similar to a Javelin so if you don't like that method of closure, the Infinity is'nt for you. I've packed a few and they seem to be nice rigs, but the few at our DZ have the issue of the top flap not covering all the Dbag and you can see the Dbag all the time. Other then that nice rigs.

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[KellyF 16]

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I've packed a few and they seem to be nice rigs, but the few at our DZ have the issue of the top flap not covering all the Dbag and you can see the Dbag all the time.

Hi PhreeZone,
Are the Infinity's you are referring to the new (VSE) style, or the older Northern Lite Infinity? I ask because if they are the newer style (serial number over 6000), I'm confident that there is something not right with either the packing, or the main bag (maybe from another rig?). More than once, we have had a rig sent back to us because "it was cut wrong", and when we got it, we repacked it and everything fit perfect.

Oh, and Scott, Infinity's are the best damn rig on the market! But don't take my word for it- I'm biased!

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

I got an Infinity for my first rig and I have to say that I absolutely love it. Very comfortable and more than one person has commented on how the main flap stays secure. It takes quite a bit of force to open it for a pin check. You can actually pick up the whole container by just the flap.

My 190 hornet is a fairly tight fit in the container, but the whole d-bag is covered I can assure you of that....

Most experienced jumpers and instructors at my Canadian dropzone were very very surprised with the quality of the rig......some said that they had the old style in mind when I talked to them about it, but were amazed when they saw this new one....my DZO commented that when he starts looking for a new container, Infinity would be high up on the list.....

[jerm 0]

those REALLY sound like older Infinitys or something not being done right.

The newer ones that i've jumped keep everything wonderfully secure.

And yes, they DO have main-flap coverage system similar to the javelin, but, and i'm NOT exaggerating here, i can squeeze 2 fingers under the main flap and LIFT my rig w/o it coming open -- it's that secure

I love my infinity.... great riser protection, pin protection, bridal protection, and comfortable... just wish i'd gotten rings instead of b12s... oops!

thanks kelly!

-jerm

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[SkymonkeyONE 4]

I really like Infinity containers, but don't currently own one. They are the rig of choice at my dad's DZ down in Alabama. The newest ones are even nicer and they look great in tiny sizes. Team Extreme used to jump them. I would just as soon jump an Infinity as a Micron (I like both). The only reason I am not wearing one right now is the fact they are not sold with a four ring harness option and side cut-ins.

As far as riser protection and main pin protection goes, I have never seen a newer one come open. Very solid rigs.

Chuck

[skybytch 273]

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Oh, and Scott, Infinity's are the best damn rig on the market!

Yeah. What Kelly said

I love mine. 100 jumps on it, never a problem. Super comfortable, super secure, clean looks, very well made, excellent customer service, fast delivery time, good price, nice people.

And a cool tshirt too. Thanks Kelly!

[PhreeZone 20]

Kelly, the two out at the DZ that are doing this are the newer style, but both are using ZP Dbags instead of the original ones. Its showing the material in the corners near the reserve, upper flap and the side flaps meet. Our STA has one and its been like that ever since he got the rig and he just ignores it, but the other one I'm not too sure about I just remember seeing purple sticking out in those 2 corners of the container. Would altering the packing style change this issue?

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[Shark 0]

Kelly,

A little off topic, sort of, but would you change anything for CReW as oppossed to a freefall container? What model does Team Infinity use as their crew rigs?

[KellyF 16]

The packing style will definately affect how a container looks. In this case the first thing I would do is change the main bag back to the one that came with the rig. Many people think that the bag is made for the parachute, but the fact is, the bag is made to fit the container, and the container is made to fit the parachute. The reason for this is the container has a fixed set of dimensions, and needs a bag that is designed to fit those dimensions- i.e. a 12x6x4 container has a volume of 288 CI, a bag that is 6x6x8 has a volume of 288 CI also, but is nowhere near the same shape. You would probably be able to put the bag into the container, but it would be bulging in some palces and wrinkling in others, with some places just plain empty.

Something else that needs to be done when packing most rigs in order to get them to look their best, is to rotate the bag into the container, so that the grommet in the top of the bag is against the reserve container. If the bag isn't rotated, the corners will be higher than the reserve container and the main side flaps won't be able to push them down to where they need to be without some "assistance" (read: fist pounding)

So that is the long of it, and the short is: change the bag bag to the original, pack it evenly, and rotate the bag into the container.

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[KellyF 16]

Shark, Team Infinity uses the older style Infinity, with very few modifications. CReW jumpers have a lot of original ideas as to what they need, and it seems none of the teams completely agree. The main thing that comes to mind is riser covers. Team Infinity would just leave theirs open in order to eliminate the possibility of one hanging up and causing an off heading opening, but when I videoed them one season with my Vector III/Stiletto 97 combo with the riser covers closed (risers UNDER the pocket), I had about the same ratio (on heading to off) as the base-pin jumpers. Moral: packing and body position are key!

I'm sure there are some features that we could add to make a more CRW-specific rig, but I'd have to give it some thought, since I tried to make the new Infinity a total package that would work well for all disciplines.

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[JohnnyD 0]

There is one new one on the DZ and it is NICE. I especially like the way the bag fits into the container. No rotating. Why didn't I think of that?

[scottbre 0]

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No rotating. Why didn't I think of that?

I thought Kelly said you were supposed to rotate the bag...

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[KellyF 16]

You SHOULD rotate the bag. Some of our smaller sizes have a more "square" profile where it will be less obvious than on another size where the profile is more "rectangular". I hope that clears things up!

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[JohnnyD 0]

Uh oh! I was told by the person with the rig that the bag was designed to fit straight into the container without rotating. The bag really appeared as if it was not meant to be rotated and it seemed like such a good idea that I was considering buying one myself. Is not rotating the bag dangerous or otherwise unadvisable?

[riggerrob 643]

As far as I know, only the Wings manual offers packers the option of NOT ROTATING the d-bag on a few of the smaller sizes. All the other manufacturers recommend rotating hte d-bag.
To back up Kelly on the packing issue: packing styles can make a world of difference in how a rig looks and feels. When I worked at the Felxon facotry, one owner complained loudly about how poorly it fit. We could not identify the problem by comparing numbers, so we asked him to mail it in. His Flexon arrived with a loop 4 inches longer than we used. We simply re-packed the reserve to factory standards and the customer was happy.
On another occassion, someone mailed us a Vector with loops so long it looked like a two -humped camel! A repack with normal loops solved that problem too.
Finally, newer Infinities are the best Vector clones on the market. I would rather pack a new Infinity than a Vector 3. New Infinities are also a great fit on my large shoulders.
Note: Kelly has not bribed me to write the last paragraph, but I'm waaaiting!

[KellyF 16]

Johnny, rotating the bag is not a really safety issue if the container closes completely and cleanly. If flaps are bulging and have gaps in them, then some people might consider it a safety issue.

Rob, you were doing pretty good until you called it a clone! That's OK though, I know how things appear in the industry. The Infinity will continue to evolve, just like the Talon has evolved so much over the years (but it won't turn into a Talon clone!

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[bmcd308 0]

I do not rotate the bag on my Wings. From reading the manual, it appears that if you do rotate the bag on a Wings, you are supposed to rotate it the opposite direction from the direction most other bags rotate (so that the lines are against the bottom of the reserve container).

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