AggieDave 6 #1 June 18, 2002 A guy I know is giving me his old rig. Since the rig he is giving me is outdated for how I fly (Vector I, not even a II), I was going to actually bite the bullet and buy a new Wings. The thing is though, the canopies in it (which are in good shape according to my rigger), are larger then I will be jumping once I get the money to buy something else.My biggest concern is the size of the main, it is a Falcon 235 and the first chance I get I'll be purchasing something elliptical and around 170 or 190. So the rig will be way oversized for that. Is is possible to add padding to the trey to compensate for that and have the rig still function well and look good? Or would it be better to get a rig built for a smaller size group, for a 190-210 type sized canopy and just try to work around it (longer closing loop, packing as small as I can, etc) until I can afford something else?Opinions?AerialsSo up highWhen you free your lives (the) eternal prize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #2 June 18, 2002 Do you know the container size? You should be able to put a 190 zp in there without a problem if the container was built to fit the Falcon 235. I don't know about a 170, though... both in that container and for you - you're landing a 190 well but you don't know it inside and out yet; why not stick with that for a couple hundred jumps before going any smaller? pull & flare,lisa"Try not. Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda sez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #3 June 18, 2002 Quoteand the first chance I get I'll be purchasing something elliptical careful now.....RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #4 June 18, 2002 AD - I just got a new Wings container, and I wrote on my order form that I thought I would downsize in the relatively near future (although I actually will not be doing so now - Hornet 190 plenty of canopy for a long time for me). My d-bag fits very tight in the container, and it appears from their closing loop design and the design of the flaps that everything would fit together right even with a much smaller d-bag in there.Now, the fact that I think it would look OK does not in any way mean that it would open OK, but you get the idea. My advice - call Heather.BMcD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 June 18, 2002 Well, right now I'm jumping a Stilleto 190 with no problems, infact Saturday I had an off DZ downwind landing and I landed it perfectly. (Off DZ as in about 2 miles out). I consulted my S&TA and some instructors on my DZ who see me jump every weekend weither or not they thought that it would be a good idea for me to try a Stilletto and they thought that it would be good for me to try one out. Do I grab a whole bunch of riser and come screaming in? No, not yet, not soon. Have I done cross wind landings and down wind landings and no wind landings with it? Yup. Did I land it with out inncident? Yup. Infact all of my landings have been on my feet.What am I going to buy when I have the money? Depends on how many jumps from now it is and what my weight (when I finally get myself down to ship weight for the Marines, I would load a 170 at the same loading I'm loading a 190 right now) at the time is. If I was going to purchase something for me today, right now, it would be a hornet or a Sabre2 (depending on $$), but 100 jumps from now? Probably some sort of elliptical. That is what I meant by that comment, that mainly I probably won't be actually purchasing another canopy for another 100 jumps or maybe more.I'm not running out and buying a VX 60 tomorrow or anything like that.AerialsSo up highWhen you free your lives (the) eternal prize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #6 June 18, 2002 >Is is possible to add padding to the trey to compensate for that and have the rig >still function well and look good? Yes; I had that done on my first rig so I could fit a PD190 in a rig designed for a Pursuit 215. Worked fine.>Or would it be better to get a rig built for a smaller size group, for a 190-210 type >sized canopy and just try to work around it (longer closing loop, packing as small> as I can, etc) until I can afford something else?This will also work. If you order a rig sized for a 210, it should fit a 190 with no problem and it will fit the Falcon 235.>Have I done cross wind landings and down wind landings and no wind landings> with it? Yup.Can you flat turn at 50 feet, flare turn and land with rear risers? (at least initiate the flare with rears) The first two especially are pretty important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 June 18, 2002 I haven't tried landing it with the rear risers, but I can get the canopy to slow down really well. Not as slow as a Spectre, but I dont' have to come in fast. Flat turns, I've tried a few, but haven't had enough time on the canopy yet to really get them down. If I can get the number of jumps on this demo that I want to, then I'm sure I'll have that down too. So, about the container, sizing for a 210 would probably be the way to go, then? (I'm going to email the company about it too, though).AerialsSo up highWhen you free your lives (the) eternal prize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 June 18, 2002 Hey AggieD, I think a Stilletto 190 would do you just dandy, but a smaller eliptical say 170 might get you hurt.......You know I've seen how you play, so I'm not posting this blind and saying no just for the sake of it....BTW I have a friend back in Scotland who is about our size, and he has loads of fun on his stilletto 190, he broke his back over in Florida, and can now only jump his 190 due to soft opening issues.....He's about the same size as us as well....CyaD"I might bend my hat in the process, but I'd still teach that guy a lesson or two" David Lund...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 June 18, 2002 Thanks Dave (nice sig).AerialsSo up highWhen you free your lives (the) eternal prize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #10 June 18, 2002 >So, about the container, sizing for a 210 would probably be the way to go, then?> (I'm going to email the company about it too, though).That's what I would do. I've more often been annoyed by too-small containers than by too-large, so I'd tend to stick to the larger size. One issue - where does the closing loop anchor? If it anchors near the bottom of the pack tray, the container will be able to accomodate smaller mains, and you'll have no problems at all with the 170. If it anchors on a flap, you _might_ need padding (but probably not.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #11 June 19, 2002 AggieDave,I've got an old Vector container as a back up rig. It's probably the same as yours. I have a Falcon 235 in it now and it's quite tight, but still looks good. I normally put a Falcon 195 in it and it fits about perfect. Last weekend my other rig was out of date so I put my Hornet 170 in it. It closed up nice. The bridal line needed to be stuffed up a little further to hold it securely. I had some riggers look at it and they said it was fine. Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 June 19, 2002 The thing is, though, I'm wanting to buy a Wings, I'm not worried about the Vector. If anything, I'll use it for a CReW rig or a water rig eventually. AerialsSo up highWhen you free your lives (the) eternal prize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
