Kirils 1 #1 May 14, 2002 I have recently become the owner of a new Parachutes of France Transfair 208 reserve. Is this thing jumpable here in the USA? ie...TSO'd???Thanks!Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #2 May 28, 2002 Read the label on your Transfair reserve.If it says "TSO" then an American citizen can leaglly jump it in the USA.If it doesn't say "TSO" on the label, than only foreigners can leagally jump it in the USA.If you are an American citizen and want to jump non-TSO'ed gear made by Parachutes de France in the USA, then do it quietly. P. de F. builds decent parachutes, but they have not bothered to apply for TSOs on everything they make. P. de F. relied for many years on the French standards which are tougher than American TSO standards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #3 May 28, 2002 As stupid as this may sound, if you are an American citizen, jumping in the US, and you jump gear that is not TSO'ed AND in date, the jump pilot could lose his license if you are injured or killed, and an investigation ensues. They might even "get" the poor pilot if you go through a cloud. Please think of your jump pilot before you do anything even slightly "illegal". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #4 May 29, 2002 QuoteAs stupid as this may sound, if you are an American citizenBecause we're talking about the stupidity of these laws, I thought I'd ask a question of semantics... I'm not a US citizen. I am a resident alien (I think, I'm not a lawyer). Not that I have anything in mind, but would the pilot be just as screwed if I did jump non-tso'd gear?_AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #5 May 29, 2002 I think the SIM and somewhere in the FAA says that the pilot is responsible for all of the people who board the aircraft, including: reserve up to date, use of TSO approved gear, drunk jumpers and everything else. Here is a wild guess but I think that he can get phucked if an accident happens involving a non-TSO'd gear inside his aircraft."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #6 May 29, 2002 QuoteI think the SIM and somewhere in the FAA says that the pilot is responsible for all of the people who board the aircraft,Not quite... the rule doesnt apply to foreign jumpers.Now, its the 1st time on this thread that I read the term "citizen".... before now, all the docs I saw said "domestic" and "foreign" jumpers. My assumpsion was that a "domestic" jumper was a US resident, as opposed to citizen. Does someone have the answer to this one?RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #7 May 29, 2002 Parachutes of France finally answered my inquiry. The Transfair reserve chute is not TSO'd...Anyone want to buy a cheap reserve?? (grin)Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 May 29, 2002 Quoteall the docs I saw said "domestic" and "foreign" jumpersYep...thats why they are written that way. It has nothing to do with yuor citizenship. It has everything to do with where you "live" "Foreign" jumpers in the US "Temporarily" may jump their non TSO'd gear. Now, you have some wiggle room on the temporary part but I'll guarantee that if something bad happens, FAA inspectors are going to be tough on you and worse yet the jump pilot. "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
