Ueli 0 #1 February 16, 2002 i am a swiss skydiver, accualy i am not even a real skydiver yet...but i am becomin one soon after i finish my lizenz in march...so the plan is to get my first rig soon..but i dont know what kind and size i am supposed to get...so i was hopeing some of you could give me some good advices what rig could be good for a green horn!thank you!!!!ueli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 February 16, 2002 Wings seem to be the most popular new container at the moment, or you could go for Javelin, Vector, Vortex II, etc.....As for canopies, you should go for a sabre / sabre 2 / hornet / safire etc. There's loads of choice. For your first rig, the canopy shouldn't really be loaded over about 1:1. Ask people at your DZ as they know how you land etc. and can advise you better. You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #3 February 16, 2002 QuoteAs for canopies, you should go for a sabre / sabre 2 / hotnet / safire etcHotnet???? That must be one of those new ripoff chutes of the HORNET that are being made across the street form PISAjason(sorry couldnt resist) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarcusV 0 #4 February 16, 2002 Gruezi Ueli,auf jeden Fall ein gebrauchtes. Lass dir kein neues andrehen. Nach einem Jahr wechselt man in aller Regel Gurtzeug und Hauptkappe - und aergert sich dann ueber den Wertverlust, wenn man ein neues Rig gekauft hatte. Mit einem gebrauchten kannst du nicht viel falsch machen, und die Gras- und Landeflecken sind dann auch nicht so aergerlich ;-)))Cya Marcus--Perfect speed, my son, is being there. - Jonathan Livingston Seagull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #5 February 16, 2002 This is a huge question.Start by asking your instructors and coaches when you are close to graduation.Secondly, chose a reserve large enough to land you softly on a bad day.Thirdly, chose a main large enough for stand up landings on a regular basis.Fourthly, tell the container manufacturer what size canopies you want and allow them to chose which size of container to build for you.Fifthly, invest in a Cypres.Sixthly, check on local fashions before spending any money. If everyone at your DZ is jumping brand A, then the answer is easy: buy brand A. On the other hand, if your local rigger curses everytime he mentions Brand B, then maybe you should not buy Brand B.There is little difference in quality and reliability between the top 6 manufacturers, so they compete on color and price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #6 February 16, 2002 See if you can find a T-10. Reliable openings and few hookturn injuries!OpieIf your not on the edge, you can't enjoy the view! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #7 February 16, 2002 Rob gives good advice.I'll add.. don't purchase any of the major components (container, reserve, main, AAD) until you are close to being done or are done with your AFF jumps. Talk with your instructors about what size main and reserve canopies will be right for your body weight, ability, where you jump, how often you will be able to jump and the amount of risk you are willing to take with your body.Which brands to buy? You'll find that many skydivers will say that this or that rig, canopy, reserve, etc. are the best and you should only buy one of those because everything else is junk. Skydivers can be very opinionated! Any of the major harness/container systems, reserves and mains might be the right ones for you - like Rob said, look at what is popular at the dropzone you jump at. Also consider your budget; some are more expensive than others. Some manufacturers deliver faster than others; this might be important to you as well.Be sure to click on the "Gear" link at the top of any of the pages on dropzone.com - there is a whole section there with reviews on different kinds of gear and also articles with lots of good information on choosing which will be right for you.Good luck! pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #8 February 16, 2002 And please don't ask if you should get an elliptical loaded about 2.5 : 1 for your first canopy. We've been asked that before !! You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #9 February 16, 2002 Crap, sorry, forgot I was in a *real* forum, I removed the post...(it was a sarcastic remark/joke) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #10 February 16, 2002 ditto [lots of crap deleted] You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beachbum 0 #11 February 17, 2002 I'm pretty much a newbie too, so can't make recommendations based too much on personal experience, but after talking to a lot of folks (at a dz that most people seemed to be getting Sabres for their first), I opted for a Triathlon. I was told it was a very stable, fun, yet forgiving canopy. So far, I love it! Being a 7 cell, it also packs smaller than the 9's, so I was able to get a slightly smaller container, so hopefully won't have to get another one when I am ready for a smaller canopy. I still haven't figured out why, but for some reason, I find it (a 160) easier to get soft landings with than the 215 student rig I was jumping. BTW ... I'm only 145 lbs, so am just about at 1:1 on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #12 February 17, 2002 The reason wht you get better landings is the canopy is more responsive then the larger canopy. The amount of engery used to plane out is less and that allows more energy left over for the transition from forward speed to lift. Thats the same reason why jumping a small pocket rocket CAN SOMETIMES yield grest landings with no effort. The problem with good responsiveness is that it also responds to misinput rapidly too. (Like over-flaring, uneven flaring, Flaring too early....)Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #13 February 17, 2002 There are 2 possible explanations why your current 160 lands better than the student 215.First, the 215 might be worn out.Secondly, you were probably under-loading the 215. If you are under-loading a canopy, it will not have much forward speed to convert into lift.Have you ever watched a 100 pound (45 kg) Japanese girl land a Manta? When she pulls down on the steering toggles, the Manta does not really flare, it just sort of continues mushing along the same trajectory. Fortunately, she was already going slowly enough to land without a flare.The more heavily you load a canopy, the more dramatic the flare, until the point when a canopy is so heavily loaded that when you stab the toggles, it pops up a few feet! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beachbum 0 #14 February 19, 2002 that makes sense ... thanks! Being 145 lbs. on that 215 ... definitley underloaded ... landed backing up twice on it ... lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
MarcusV 0 #4 February 16, 2002 Gruezi Ueli,auf jeden Fall ein gebrauchtes. Lass dir kein neues andrehen. Nach einem Jahr wechselt man in aller Regel Gurtzeug und Hauptkappe - und aergert sich dann ueber den Wertverlust, wenn man ein neues Rig gekauft hatte. Mit einem gebrauchten kannst du nicht viel falsch machen, und die Gras- und Landeflecken sind dann auch nicht so aergerlich ;-)))Cya Marcus--Perfect speed, my son, is being there. - Jonathan Livingston Seagull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #5 February 16, 2002 This is a huge question.Start by asking your instructors and coaches when you are close to graduation.Secondly, chose a reserve large enough to land you softly on a bad day.Thirdly, chose a main large enough for stand up landings on a regular basis.Fourthly, tell the container manufacturer what size canopies you want and allow them to chose which size of container to build for you.Fifthly, invest in a Cypres.Sixthly, check on local fashions before spending any money. If everyone at your DZ is jumping brand A, then the answer is easy: buy brand A. On the other hand, if your local rigger curses everytime he mentions Brand B, then maybe you should not buy Brand B.There is little difference in quality and reliability between the top 6 manufacturers, so they compete on color and price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #6 February 16, 2002 See if you can find a T-10. Reliable openings and few hookturn injuries!OpieIf your not on the edge, you can't enjoy the view! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #7 February 16, 2002 Rob gives good advice.I'll add.. don't purchase any of the major components (container, reserve, main, AAD) until you are close to being done or are done with your AFF jumps. Talk with your instructors about what size main and reserve canopies will be right for your body weight, ability, where you jump, how often you will be able to jump and the amount of risk you are willing to take with your body.Which brands to buy? You'll find that many skydivers will say that this or that rig, canopy, reserve, etc. are the best and you should only buy one of those because everything else is junk. Skydivers can be very opinionated! Any of the major harness/container systems, reserves and mains might be the right ones for you - like Rob said, look at what is popular at the dropzone you jump at. Also consider your budget; some are more expensive than others. Some manufacturers deliver faster than others; this might be important to you as well.Be sure to click on the "Gear" link at the top of any of the pages on dropzone.com - there is a whole section there with reviews on different kinds of gear and also articles with lots of good information on choosing which will be right for you.Good luck! pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #8 February 16, 2002 And please don't ask if you should get an elliptical loaded about 2.5 : 1 for your first canopy. We've been asked that before !! You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 February 16, 2002 Crap, sorry, forgot I was in a *real* forum, I removed the post...(it was a sarcastic remark/joke) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #10 February 16, 2002 ditto [lots of crap deleted] You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #11 February 17, 2002 I'm pretty much a newbie too, so can't make recommendations based too much on personal experience, but after talking to a lot of folks (at a dz that most people seemed to be getting Sabres for their first), I opted for a Triathlon. I was told it was a very stable, fun, yet forgiving canopy. So far, I love it! Being a 7 cell, it also packs smaller than the 9's, so I was able to get a slightly smaller container, so hopefully won't have to get another one when I am ready for a smaller canopy. I still haven't figured out why, but for some reason, I find it (a 160) easier to get soft landings with than the 215 student rig I was jumping. BTW ... I'm only 145 lbs, so am just about at 1:1 on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 February 17, 2002 The reason wht you get better landings is the canopy is more responsive then the larger canopy. The amount of engery used to plane out is less and that allows more energy left over for the transition from forward speed to lift. Thats the same reason why jumping a small pocket rocket CAN SOMETIMES yield grest landings with no effort. The problem with good responsiveness is that it also responds to misinput rapidly too. (Like over-flaring, uneven flaring, Flaring too early....)Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #13 February 17, 2002 There are 2 possible explanations why your current 160 lands better than the student 215.First, the 215 might be worn out.Secondly, you were probably under-loading the 215. If you are under-loading a canopy, it will not have much forward speed to convert into lift.Have you ever watched a 100 pound (45 kg) Japanese girl land a Manta? When she pulls down on the steering toggles, the Manta does not really flare, it just sort of continues mushing along the same trajectory. Fortunately, she was already going slowly enough to land without a flare.The more heavily you load a canopy, the more dramatic the flare, until the point when a canopy is so heavily loaded that when you stab the toggles, it pops up a few feet! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #14 February 19, 2002 that makes sense ... thanks! Being 145 lbs. on that 215 ... definitley underloaded ... landed backing up twice on it ... lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
