R00tj00se 0 #1 January 11, 2002 I've been reading through the gear section about the Vengeance and some of the reviews refer to end cell closure on this canopy and the possibility of diving, off heading openings. Anyone have any further info on this as the last review was some time ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookit 0 #2 January 12, 2002 I put about 150 jumps on my Vengeance 120 which was loaded about 1.5. It does have a tendency for diving off heading openings but for me they were not the norm. It was a typical elliptical in that it tended to hunt for a heading a bit during the snivel though. I NEVER had a hard opening under it and only had line twists twice under it (not bad for 150 jumps on an elliptical!). One of the times I had line twists it flew nice and straight as I kicked out while the other time it started diving but it was nice and smooth and I had no problems kicking out of the twists again.The most interesting thing about the Vengeance IMO is the way in which it tends to 'fly big'. My 120 Vengeance seemed as easy (if not easier) to fly and more forgiving than a Samurai 135 which I had the opportunity to put about 10 jumps on. I'm not knocking the Samurai...it's a great canopy and I loved flying it.The vengeance doesn't seem (to me) to build speed as quickly as other canopies and I'm wondering if it's because the airfoil is thicker topskin to bottomskin than others and therefore generates more drag. I asked John LeBlanc about this last summer during Summerfest at SDC but things were so hectic and crazy that week that I'm unable to remember his exact response. That really bothers me!Hope this helps you out a bit. If you get a chance to fly a Vengeance I definitely recommend you try it out. Blues,Trey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #3 January 12, 2002 I demo'd a 130 ( I exited at 190#) It flew very big. I thought it seemed like a 150. Openings were slow with end sell closure on 3 out of 5 jumps. Never a twist.Turns were slow. It has a very solid feel. Landings were easy with a strong flare and no runout. I regret I didn't try smaller canopy. It seems you got to really load this one up to get decent performance. Nice canopy, but I think it's overpriced. Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikefarmer 0 #4 January 12, 2002 I love my 135. Toggle turns definitely eat altitude. I do tend to open in a diving right turn, but never enough to scare me. I guess that's why they dont BASE ellipticals.Mike Sky World Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #5 January 12, 2002 One of my friends almost had to chop a 120 on his first vengeance jump (on a friends kit) due to massive end cell closure on one side (got it sorted though). Support the cause - do a skydive(r) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ramon 0 #6 January 17, 2002 mine has end cell closures all the time (135 at 1.7). Doesn't bothe me one bit, opens soft and tends tofind a direction while in the snivel just like hookit said.I've never had lines twists on mine (~150 jumps). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ramon 0 #7 January 17, 2002 I think it likes those snap hooks for building speed. it never seemed to build very much while carving unless really aggressive almost hooking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ramon 0 #6 January 17, 2002 mine has end cell closures all the time (135 at 1.7). Doesn't bothe me one bit, opens soft and tends tofind a direction while in the snivel just like hookit said.I've never had lines twists on mine (~150 jumps). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #7 January 17, 2002 I think it likes those snap hooks for building speed. it never seemed to build very much while carving unless really aggressive almost hooking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
